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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Are Masters better than slaves?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 Are Masters better than slaves? (58) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. 4 Apr 06, 2:58 PM x_flaire_x UK, 10 yrs 'Humans do not submit to animals' Altheus is intelligent. He has a deep, personal sense of honour and dignity. He is generous and loyal. He has a wicked sense of humour. He controls himself. He has integrity. Basically, I think he's the greatest human alive. But, I'm terribly biased. In certain areas, I think we're equal. In terms of intelligence, using the IQ system, I do have a few points on him. But, he is the practical, science-lead mind. I'm the emotional, empathic, humanities-based mind. Physically, he is stronger than me. 'Might is right', afterall. I believe I am a human being. I could never lower myself to submit to someone I believe to be inferior to me. Hence the quote (from Dune, if you hadn't guessed). I serve a man I believe to be my superior. f x Edited 4 Apr 06, 3:00 PM by x_flaire_x 6 Apr 06, 7:19 PM 611-076-712 US, 6 yrs Y! my Dear Ower is of course superior to me since i am the one that is an owned thing. As an owned thing i have no rights, after all i did give myself to Her to use as She wishes. my Dear Owner isn't the one that is naked almost all the time or the one that can be disiplined for reason or no reason, displayed to anyone and be given to anybody. i gave everything i owned to my Dear Owner and now i own nothing, not even myself. So of course my Dearest Owner is better than me as i am nothing more than something that is owned, like a chair or a shovel and you wouldn't consider either as superior to a free person or even a slave. 611-076-712 (Nancy's_mike) 7 Apr 06, 2:11 PM 000-208-137 CA, 7 yrs reading the different comments on this suject, really shows one the differnt points of views, and the truth in the matter is all point of views have some bases of truth in them. this slave as a wrtien contract with Master C, and one of the statments in the summary of the contract reads as follows; "I will accept punishment and discipline willingly, knowing that my Master is in control and has more wisdom, knowledge, and experience than slave in these matters." in this statemnet all it show is that the Master has more wisdom and knowledge, as for been better, that ia a state of mind of the slave, in most cases a slave will seek out a Master that has more knowledge than themself, and a Master that they can trust. Hence one can see why a slave might think and feel that they Master is better than they are. tims_sub wrote: I snipped the_boi's comment from the "Consentual Slavery - an oxymoron?" thread.... the_boi wrote: <snip snip> A slave consenting to live their life as themselves to be owned and controlled by someone better than themselves is... <snip snip> Boi, I find your posts very helpful in better understanding the new life being built for me, but your wording above hit a nerve and I'm not sure what that says about my submissiveness. Do you (and others) feel that your Master/Mistress is better than you? I am not saying this is the wrong way to think - I am still trying to figure out if I am a slave or a submissive, so often I'm not sure what to think. Overall, though, I think of yin/yang or 'opposites attract' or something along that line - not that either is better. May I please have some feedback from others on this subject? It, perhaps, will help me better understand myself. slave Eric Property of Master C 7 Apr 06, 6:05 PM sean_and_bryan UK, 6 yrs Some interesting ideas, personally I'm with the "no one is better than me, we're all just different" theory. Of course there will be people who are better in certain fields than others but to class somebody as better is just plain ignorance. For example, somebody born with a mental disability that impares communication and therefore education may never actually be 'better' at anything they do than anybody they ever meet, but to even think that that makes them a worse person is just wrong by anybodies standards. On the flip side would any of you honestly consider somebody like Saddam Hussain on the same level of any of us?? I would say he is a 'worse' person, but in that have shot myself in my self rightious foot cause there I've gone and judge another human being and even worse judge myself to be better, since when was I really the right person to be judge of myself... Here's a stumper for ya, some slaves like to feel 'objectified' and 'de-humanised', does that mean they want their Dom/me to feel 'better' than them?? Do they want to feel 'worse'?? More to the point, is a slave with a fetish a selfish slave?? To expect from their Dom/me an act to bring them pleasure is nothing but self gratifying. So any slave that is actually enjoying their slavery is not a true slave...ARRGGG my head hurts. NO, slaves are no better or worse than their Dom/me. 7 Apr 06, 8:42 PM 586-136-275 UK, 6 yrs Y! hi i dont think my mistress is beter than me as she has her part to play as do i but i have learnt one thing that is very true the person with the most power is the submisive/slave as they have the power to stop any secen with just one word tims_sub wrote: I snipped the_boi's comment from the "Consentual Slavery - an oxymoron?" thread.... the_boi wrote: <snip snip> A slave consenting to live their life as themselves to be owned and controlled by someone better than themselves is... <snip snip> Boi, I find your posts very helpful in better understanding the new life being built for me, but your wording above hit a nerve and I'm not sure what that says about my submissiveness. Do you (and others) feel that your Master/Mistress is better than you? I am not saying this is the wrong way to think - I am still trying to figure out if I am a slave or a submissive, so often I'm not sure what to think. Overall, though, I think of yin/yang or 'opposites attract' or something along that line - not that either is better. May I please have some feedback from others on this subject? It, perhaps, will help me better understand myself. 10 Apr 06, 8:24 AM 100-279-228 US(CA), 6 yrs I really should get Joshua to post, as he's the slave, but he's working extra hours this week, and sleep is more important than the Internet, so I'll answer it. When people say "better", the first question that pops into my head is "better at what?" Obviously anyone that I meet is likely to be better than me at *something*, if only rattling off Pokemon characters. But I would guess - and yes, I could be wrong, but this is my educated guess - that what slaves mean when they refer to their owners as "better" is likely to be an arbitrary collection of qualities that have meaning only for them. When I asked Joshua - some time ago, actually - whether he actually believed that I was a superior human being to him, he said yes, unequivocally yes. I was rather taken aback, actually. I've had it drummed into my head that all people are equal in general worthiness before the Powers That Be, etc. etc. But when I probed further, I found that he wasn't talking about any high impersonal scale, but a deeply personal one. I think that we need to make that distinction here. He pointed out that I have a higher IQ, better judgment in decisions, more experience with relationships, more strength of will, better ability to plan, greater ambition, more competence at handling people, better memory, 14 years more experience, stricter ethics and honor, more creativity, more spiritual knowledge, and more of an ability to make an impact on the world, than him. To him, that says "better". Never mind that he is a computer geek and I am such a Luddite that I can barely figure out how to post on this forum; never mind that I find him smart, insightful, and eminently perceptive; never mind that I could never make homemade mayonnaise like his. To him, the above are the factors that make me "better" in his definition.... ...and yes, he set that definition before he met me. He stated firmly that if I hadn't been better at him at most of those things - especially the judgment and willpower - he would not have come into being my slave. He might have served me consensually, but he would not have felt that I was worthy of turning his entire life and being over to; worthy of giving up consent to. In order to be worthy of service (and I know that this is going to make some people upset, but yes, I do believe that dom/mes ought to be worthy of service, and continue to earn that worthiness) in his mind, his future master had to be better than him at these things, or he wouldn't/couldn't be mastered by him. And considering that if you end up a nonconsensual-type slave, the last big decision you will make is what sort of person to give yourself to....why wouldn't you want to add your power to that of someone whom you felt was "better than you" at whatever collection of traits is important to your definition of worthiness? Because you'd better darn well have a definition of worthiness, for your own safety, whatever that is. And I am simply happy that the collection of traits that he needed a master to be "superior" in was one that I could pretty much cover. If he needed a master to be superior to him in things like height, or handsomeness, or computer ability, or wealth, or health, or physical condition, or organizational ability, or penis size, I'd be pretty well out of luck. Or, at least, he would be serving someone else and not me. (Someone tall and built and rich with a huge cock, maybe.) So it all depends on what the slave feels are the traits that make their owner "better" than them. -Raven Kaldera [/quote] this one---first must state to Raven Kaldera Sir (required by her Master) that you write very deeply and eloquently and she enjoys reading your responses second---she agrees with Your Joshua----her Master is better than her and she could not serve someone who was not. girl has been through a lot in her life and discovered many things about herself and people. Serving as a slave and property one needs to know your inner being, who you are, what you want in your life, etc. BEFORE deciding to give yourself over to someone who will have all control over your entire life and being. girl took the long hard path to discovery but knows herself very well and knows her wants and needs very well. she wants nothing more than to serve Master to the very best of her ability for the rest of her life. she knew before meeting Him the person she wanted and did not stray from her definition one bit. So, YES---Master is better than her but she could not serve Him if He were not. 14 Jun 06, 1:20 AM 566-120-966 UK, 5 yrs Hello E/everyone this slave is putting it's penny's worth in. this slave cannot judge in general, but it knows that it's Master is better that this slave. Why? Because this slave wouldn't have given it self to Him. slave_martin 14 Jun 06, 3:36 AM Js_cat US(VA), 6 yrs tims_sub wrote: I snipped the_boi's comment from the "Consentual Slavery - an oxymoron?" thread.... the_boi wrote: <snip snip> A slave consenting to live their life as themselves to be owned and controlled by someone better than themselves is... <snip snip> Boi, I find your posts very helpful in better understanding the new life being built for me, but your wording above hit a nerve and I'm not sure what that says about my submissiveness. Do you (and others) feel that your Master/Mistress is better than you? I am not saying this is the wrong way to think - I am still trying to figure out if I am a slave or a submissive, so often I'm not sure what to think. Overall, though, I think of yin/yang or 'opposites attract' or something along that line - not that either is better. May I please have some feedback from others on this subject? It, perhaps, will help me better understand myself. my Master is stronger than i am... physically, emotionally... He has a better education, more experience in some areas... but there are skills and talents i have that He lacks; there are insights i make that He misses, and vice versa... does that make Him better? no... just... what i need. as i am what He needs. --Doc's Cat ...in my heart, His for a quarter century... now His in reality, for all time, always, all ways... 5 Jul 06, 6:30 AM 611-076-712 US, 6 yrs Y! Just a fact of history. While a slave may be smarter than his/her Master, the Master ownes the slave. This all by itself makes the Master better than the slave.