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	TSR : Web boards : Other Topics : "castration" 1 2 3 4 5 castration (45) This post is on the Other Topics web board. 9 Mar 06, 4:14 AM 000-495-674 US(AR), 7 yrs 037-151-291 wrote: 891-505-391 wrote: 000-585-047 wrote: a question for both slaves and Dom/mes. how many slaves would willingly accept there owners desire to have them castrated and how many Dom/mes would wish this of the slaves they own. i personally am a TV slave looking for someone to further (totally) feminise me and know castration is a real possibility once owned as i beleve a slave has no rights whatsoever therefore would have no right on tattoo's brandings piercings castration and on being sold to another owner i also think a slave has no rights and would gladly accept castration if i knew i was owned for life just because i can, why is it that you feel you have no rights? im not questioning your right to submit totally to another person (god wouldnt that be a joke) but dont you have any sense of self worth? because how can you submission be worth anything if you yourself do not believe what you are giving to your Master or Mistress is special and to be cherised? There is every level of slavery, some look apon it as a very special thing between two people as in husband and wife and indeed it can be something very special in such a relationship. To others, a slave is nothing more than an object and a Master or Owner a person with absolute rights privledges and capacity to truly and wholy own that object as one might any other obect they choose to keep and to use as their wishes might dictate. There are of course every manner of other beliefs and practices concerning the same topic. Slavery is as personal a thing as is any other religion might be considered by it's followers. i do not wish to judge you for your beliefs, and would hope that you would not judge me for mine, nor him/her for his/hers. Submission is worth what ever they that would dominate choose to place apon it. i wish all well, happiness be yours. Submissively, 000-495-674 ( jeri ) 9 Mar 06, 3:49 PM 000-689-585 US, 9 yrs 753-706-935 wrote: OrionStorm wrote: I firmly believe in marking My slave. After all, she is My property. My slave has piercings that mark her and remind her constantly that she is My PROPERTY. she will also receive tats and a tiny brand. I know of only a handful of TV slaves that have been castrated either chemically or physically. This is in addition to piercings, brandings and tats of ownership placed in their flesh by their Master/Mistress. In one case in particular, the male was once the husband of his owner. However, after his surrender to his Mistress, she began a steady process of feminization, which included hormone treatment, later chemical castration, and ultimately physical castration. Last, I heard, the slave was as a daily ritual made to look at his "testicles" daily on a shelf in a jar of alcohol. Preserved for posterity. Having met a few of these TV slaves, that have been castrated, I have to say, that it certainly adds to their femininity and obedience. wow am i the only one who considers this to be not ok for himself? i would not want to lose my balls for the world! i have heard without balls you lose your masculinity and your sexdrive. for someone who likes feminisation i think losing masculinity can be fun but how about losing the sexdrive? is kink life still fun without without sex drive? i know there is more to kink than just sex but without any drive at all... is there still sex? ok maybe its a weird question im not TPE so i dont know how far that goes i dont think my master likes castrate me anyhow he likes my balls but i wonder about it i understand this question from both sides. If one has fully submitted to another as property or as a slave, put oneself under that Person's Authority, then whatever the Master or Owner decides to do with, to and for the property or slave is fair game, at least to discuss. A Master is under the obligation to use His property wisely. He or She may cause pain, but should never "damage". That would be being a "bad steward" of the property. This is an issue which prevented my submission for many years. Yes, i believe it is my Master's Right to castrate me, should He desire it. But, i, in no way, am willing to submit to One who feels it is His Right to use me up prematurely and discard me as "waste", dump me because there is nothing left to use me for, no further pleasure to be derived from my use because there is nothing left to do to me. i do not believe human beings are disposable, yet that is very frequently what i encountered when speaking with potential Masters. i understand why a Master would wish His or Her property sexless. It can be used to control a slave, much as neutering an animal is used. It can also be used to remove the sex desire from the property and teach it to derive its satisfaction from its Master's Pleasure. Sadistically, a Master could experience great pleasure in knowing and seeing His or Her property never enjoy that level of physical and emotional pleasure, as well as the psychological effects of going through such a physically and emotionally altering act. A Master or Mistress can obtain pleasure from the extreme nature of physically altering their property to such a core level, whether it's for feminization, reducing the property to the level of being a beast; control; discipline, etc. Should property be castrated? i don't believe there is an ultimate answer for all situations nor properties. In ancient slavery situations, where there was no consent, that choice was totally the Master's. People were genuinely disposable. While there was a purchase price, whether it was financial exchange for ownership, or the cost of doing battle to capture slaves, it cost something. In consensual slavery this cost is time, energy and emotion. The property actually does have input into this alteration. Most country's legal systems would surely insure that. i can also understand the issue from the side of the property being altered. When my Sir determines it is time for me to be altered, it will likely happen. Learning to experience my relief and pleasure at His Hand, and from His Pleasure literally excites me, to be completely dependent upon Him for release and relief. The only aspect of castration and nullification which worries me is the emotional changes the lack of testosterone causes. i am bipolar and understand the tremendous swings the absence of hormones can lead to. my prayer is that if and when Sir decides to remove the parts from my body, He will replace them hormonally. This has been expressed to Him, as He encourages me to express such concerns in a respectful manner. He hasn't discussed the issue, so far. 9 Mar 06, 4:40 PM Hisannie US, 6 yrs [/quote] i understand this question from both sides. If one has fully submitted to another as property or as a slave, put oneself under that Person's Authority, then whatever the Master or Owner decides to do with, to and for the property or slave is fair game, at least to discuss. A Master is under the obligation to use His property wisely. He or She may cause pain, but should never "damage". That would be being a "bad steward" of the property. This is an issue which prevented my submission for many years. Yes, i believe it is my Master's Right to castrate me, should He desire it.......... i can also understand the issue from the side of the property being altered. When my Sir determines it is time for me to be altered, it will likely happen. [/quote] Boy, is there ever a lot to chew off here. How would i react? The ansswer is obvious, of course. i am my Master's property. He has altered my body in many ways. i have had a face lift, breast reduction, lipposuction for my thighs, head shaven on more than one ocassion, made to wear a butt plug belt, forced to contain ben was balls while walking around to strengthen varinal muscles, etc. Castration would be for whatever he felt was a good reason. If i were a sub, i'd refuse and leave. But as a slave, there are no options. It would be nice to hear from Masters/Mistresses about if/why They'd do it. Hisannie 9 Mar 06, 11:56 PM 753-706-935 NL, 6 yrs 000-689-585 wrote: But, i, in no way, am willing to submit to One who feels it is His Right to use me up prematurely and discard me as "waste", dump me because there is nothing left to use me for, no further pleasure to be derived from my use because there is nothing left to do to me. i do not believe human beings are disposable, yet that is very frequently what i encountered when speaking with potential Masters. wow you realy have expressed it so well! i understand your decision like a lot better now you have thought about it a lot and your Master too. i have encountered bad Masters like you describe a lot too. so many see a slave as something to use fuck use and dump as soon as something better comes by. my previous Master was like that too but i thrusted him which was stupid. i am happy he never made me do anything which was permanent on my body. back then i wouldnt have said no to something permanent if he would have said it was normal for slaves my Master Dan says i was lucky he dumped me so soon before i did something really stupid. 000-689-585 wrote: Learning to experience my relief and pleasure at His Hand, and from His Pleasure literally excites me oww if you like it too its not scary i think. if you like it too its good you do so. are you a TV or transsexual? what would you do if if your master was demanding something of you that wasnt exiting to you at all but the opposite? would you also do something of which you would know it would make you very very unhappy? or if he wanted something of you which would make you feel unattractive and lower your self esteem? would you do something like that too for your Master? Hisannie wrote: But as a slave, there are no options. do you mean this is so for your Master only or also if you would have had another Master? And if it were a bad Master? i wonder have you ever done anything that made you feel really unhappy for a Master? ok i know this might sound really dumb but would you also for example amputate your breasts if your Master would demand it? Or do something really weird like your nose or ears? Master Dan says i shouldnt ever do anything stupid if another Master would ever ask me and that i should think for myself if i can thrust a Master before i do something because most Masters are crap and what they demand too. i dont have to worry much because i have Master Dan now and he decides good but for example how did you know your Master was thrustworthy when you became his slave? how do you see the difference? i was lucky i met Dan but i dont like to think of what happened otherwise • DanitoDominants proud sex serve and pain toy • Edited 10 Mar 06, 2:20 AM by 753-706-935 10 Mar 06, 6:32 AM 139-715-032 US(MA), 6 yrs sublimate wrote: In the early 1970s, when I was in my early 20s, I was the slave to a wealthy, middle-aged Mistress. Although we had no social contact, (it was pure, traditional slavery), every now and again, as I knelt at her feet, she would muse out loud about taking me to Morocco to have me surgically castrated or emasculated, (removal of testicles and penis). Thank you for posting this, sublimate. The average man is likely to have a response much like Danito's boy - shock and horror -- and to bring such a man to a point of slavery where castration seems like a perfectly reasonable thing is an impressive feat. To "force" a TS slave to accept castration -- or any other form of feminization - is no demonstration of dominance or submission. It is something the slave is not only willing to to, but is longing for. If they feel they need a master to order them to do it, it isn't because they lack the desire, but the courage. What if the master has no urge to castrate the slave who so desperately wants this "forced" on them? What if the master is delighted by the masculine body of the slave, and would never permit the slave to feminize themselves? What if the master doesn't care one bit if the slave has testicles or not, but has no interest in being used as a prop in the slave's fantasies? -- Joshua 10 Mar 06, 2:52 PM 000-689-585 US, 9 yrs 139-715-032 wrote: sublimate wrote: In the early 1970s, when I was in my early 20s, I was the slave to a wealthy, middle-aged Mistress. Although we had no social contact, (it was pure, traditional slavery), every now and again, as I knelt at her feet, she would muse out loud about taking me to Morocco to have me surgically castrated or emasculated, (removal of testicles and penis). Thank you for posting this, sublimate. The average man is likely to have a response much like Danito's boy - shock and horror -- and to bring such a man to a point of slavery where castration seems like a perfectly reasonable thing is an impressive feat. To "force" a TS slave to accept castration -- or any other form of feminization - is no demonstration of dominance or submission. It is something the slave is not only willing to to, but is longing for. If they feel they need a master to order them to do it, it isn't because they lack the desire, but the courage. What if the master has no urge to castrate the slave who so desperately wants this "forced" on them? What if the master is delighted by the masculine body of the slave, and would never permit the slave to feminize themselves? What if the master doesn't care one bit if the slave has testicles or not, but has no interest in being used as a prop in the slave's fantasies? -- Joshua Before submitting to Anyone, there should be sufficient time, exploration time, for Each/each to determine if the Other/other is the appropriate One/one to be with. If one is considering submitting as property or "permanent slave", it should ONLY to be a Master/Mistress who is like minded. Just as it took me years, MANY years, to find my Sir because He is the One who is NOT looking to use me up and discard me as He would a Kleenex, no one else should jump into a situation of permanence with anyone who isn't headed in the same direction they are. my Sir says it eleoquently, "I am playing for keeps." Just as an intelligent person wouldn't jump into a marriage until he or she knows how the potential partner feels about the important issues facing them as a couple, i honestly believe no submissive, no slave, no property, should EVER commit to anything permanent with ANYONE until sufficient time and discussion are spent with that Person so you KNOW how they feel about such issues. There should be appropriate opportunity to ask questions, talk about these issues, discuss them to determine if this alliance is appropriate, unless it is the intention of the sub/slave/property to become trapped into a situation where they ARE disposable, which, in my humble opinion, is irresponsible. i know there are those on both sides of the equation who consider humans as disposible. If that is the mutual intention, so be it, but not for me. If that's not for You/you, then You/you have a obligation to insure it's not for the One/one with whom you are considering sligning yourself. i know it gets to the point You/you feel there will never be anyone in your life, but is the wrong one any better? 10 Mar 06, 3:02 PM 000-689-585 US, 9 yrs 000-588-505 wrote: 000-585-047 wrote: 037-151-291 wrote: 891-505-391 wrote: 000-585-047 wrote: a question for both slaves and Dom/mes. how many slaves would willingly accept there owners desire to have them castrated and how many Dom/mes would wish this of the slaves they own. i personally am a TV slave looking for someone to further (totally) feminise me and know castration is a real possibility once owned as i beleve a slave has no rights whatsoever therefore would have no right on tattoo's brandings piercings castration and on being sold to another owner i also think a slave has no rights and would gladly accept castration if i knew i was owned for life just because i can, why is it that you feel you have no rights? im not questioning your right to submit totally to another person (god wouldnt that be a joke) but dont you have any sense of self worth? because how can you submission be worth anything if you yourself do not believe what you are giving to your Master or Mistress is special and to be cherised? i am not suggesting a slave blindly follows the first possible path into slavery but upon consideration, finds an owner that will control him or her totally whilst still having the slaves well being in mind Of course a slave should allow his Master to castrate him if that is what his Master wants done to His property. As a show of devotion to his Master, the slave should be allowed to sever the cord on his first ball cut as a sign of his willingness to become a eunuch for his Master, and his Master should cut the cord on the other ball, because He can, making his boy a eunuch slave. What you suggest, that a slave should allow his Master to castrate him, is appropriate in a like minded dynamic. IF you, as a slave, are with the proper Master, and enough discussion has been engaged in to know each is the proper one for the other. No matter how it is viewed, nor what it is called, these dynamics are very much 'marriages', and like them, can't work properly unless considered in the same ways as one would consider a potential spouse. If the people aren't right for each other, these dynamics won't be any more lasting and fulfilling than a bad marriage. 11 Mar 06, 7:41 AM 477-746-910 6 yrs £ OrionStorm wrote: 000-585-047 wrote: a question for both slaves and Dom/mes. Having met a few of these TV slaves, that have been castrated, I have to say, that it certainly adds to their femininity and obedience. Its a reel paradox I think. To bee a slave who like to be castrated is a part of ones sexdrive. After have beeing castrated and your sexdrive is gone, your "love" for the slavery might be gone too and what than ? 11 Mar 06, 1:36 PM manraider UK, 7 yrs Y! 753-706-935 wrote: OrionStorm wrote: I firmly believe in marking My slave. After all, she is My property. My slave has piercings that mark her and remind her constantly that she is My PROPERTY. she will also receive tats and a tiny brand. I know of only a handful of TV slaves that have been castrated either chemically or physically. This is in addition to piercings, brandings and tats of ownership placed in their flesh by their Master/Mistress. In one case in particular, the male was once the husband of his owner. However, after his surrender to his Mistress, she began a steady process of feminization, which included hormone treatment, later chemical castration, and ultimately physical castration. Last, I heard, the slave was as a daily ritual made to look at his "testicles" daily on a shelf in a jar of alcohol. Preserved for posterity. Having met a few of these TV slaves, that have been castrated, I have to say, that it certainly adds to their femininity and obedience. wow am i the only one who considers this to be scary? i would not want to lose my balls for the world! i have heard without balls you lose your masculinity and your sexdrive. for someone who likes feminisation, i think losing masculinity would be good, but how about losing the sexdrive? is kink life still fun without it? To be honest 753-706-935, you touched on the answer more than you realise in your question, most of those that go for this are not doing it out of submission to their master/mistress but out of an inner desire to be feminine. Thats fine if that's who you are, but please dont try & make out its something its not!! For myself, I find its something quite a few would be slaves have asked about - but I like guys - why would I want half a guy? Chastity is far better in terms of submission. Plus it still leaves me more to play with, torture & tease ************************************* RelativeJoker ~~~ Manchester, UK ~~~ Well?? It won't suck itself!! 17 Mar 06, 6:01 AM 753-706-935 NL, 6 yrs relativejoker wrote: 753-706-935 wrote: OrionStorm wrote: I firmly believe in marking My slave. After all, she is My property. My slave has piercings that mark her and remind her constantly that she is My PROPERTY. she will also receive tats and a tiny brand. I know of only a handful of TV slaves that have been castrated either chemically or physically. This is in addition to piercings, brandings and tats of ownership placed in their flesh by their Master/Mistress. In one case in particular, the male was once the husband of his owner. However, after his surrender to his Mistress, she began a steady process of feminization, which included hormone treatment, later chemical castration, and ultimately physical castration. Last, I heard, the slave was as a daily ritual made to look at his "testicles" daily on a shelf in a jar of alcohol. Preserved for posterity. Having met a few of these TV slaves, that have been castrated, I have to say, that it certainly adds to their femininity and obedience. wow am i the only one who considers this to be scary? i would not want to lose my balls for the world! i have heard without balls you lose your masculinity and your sexdrive. for someone who likes feminisation, i think losing masculinity would be good, but how about losing the sexdrive? is kink life still fun without it? To be honest 753-706-935, you touched on the answer more than you realise in your question, most of those that go for this are not doing it out of submission to their master/mistress but out of an inner desire to be feminine. Thats fine if that's who you are, but please dont try & make out its something its not!! For myself, I find its something quite a few would be slaves have asked about - but I like guys - why would I want half a guy? Chastity is far better in terms of submission. Plus it still leaves me more to play with, torture & tease thank u Orionstorm you expressed very well! and yes chastity is a great solution for slaves, like me who need to have a cock, but arent allowed to enjoy its pleasures • DanitoDominants proud sex serve and pain toy • Edited 17 Mar 06, 6:04 AM by 753-706-935 Next page