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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Abbrev.s" Abbrev.s (5) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board (moved from Website help). Mon 26 Dec 05, 3:47 PM 000-375-594 UK, 8 yrs What does "APE/TPE/IE" mean? 26 Dec 05, 5:05 PM 000-857-861 7 yrs 000-375-594 wrote: What does "APE/TPE/IE" mean? TPE = Total Power Exchange APE = Absolute Power Exchange the other is evidently similar.. Best I can do. "i am Your servant. i shall not be free. You will protect me; You will keep me safe; You will guard me. You will keep me sound; You will protect me from every demon." An Ancient Eqyptian woman's slave contract with the priests of Saknebtynis 26 Dec 05, 6:19 PM Michael_X UK, 6 yrs 000-857-861 wrote: 000-375-594 wrote: What does "APE/TPE/IE" mean? TPE = Total Power Exchange APE = Absolute Power Exchange the other is evidently similar.. Best I can do. Hi, IE = internal enslavement I'm not sure it is the same. It depends how one uses the terms and there is no BDSM language academy to set and enforce definitions. I tend to use IE to refer to a particular type of enslavement. One that is achieved by building particular emotional responses into the s/s/p's brain reinforced by and supporting an appropriate cognitive structure. Others use IE as a contrast to external enslavement e.g. threats, captivity, state enforced slavery, and so forth. I prefer the terms consensual vs non-consensual to make this distinction. TPE/APE suggests to me a situation in which the s/s/p cannot choose to disobey. Somewhat absolutist. Probably an ideal state never achieved in reality but something one progresses towards. Michael P.S. For an absolutist view of D/s search out Mikael Togneri's writings. A good selection are here:- http://www.leathernroses.com/mikael/mikaelindex.... 26 Dec 05, 6:25 PM 000-857-861 7 yrs michael_mwd wrote: 000-857-861 wrote: 000-375-594 wrote: What does "APE/TPE/IE" mean? TPE = Total Power Exchange APE = Absolute Power Exchange the other is evidently similar.. Best I can do. Hi, IE = internal enslavement Michael Thats what I thought.. thanks for the confirmation "i am Your servant. i shall not be free. You will protect me; You will keep me safe; You will guard me. You will keep me sound; You will protect me from every demon." An Ancient Eqyptian woman's slave contract with the priests of Saknebtynis 27 Dec 05, 10:34 AM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! michael_mwd wrote: 000-857-861 wrote: 000-375-594 wrote: What does "APE/TPE/IE" mean? TPE = Total Power Exchange APE = Absolute Power Exchange the other is evidently similar.. Best I can do. IE = internal enslavement I'm not sure it is the same. It depends how one uses the terms and there is no BDSM language academy to set and enforce definitions. The term IE was created as a better name for the concept behind APE/TPE. I know that because it was me that coined the term "Internal Enslavement." I tend to use IE to refer to a particular type of enslavement. One that is achieved by building particular emotional responses into the s/s/p's brain reinforced by and supporting an appropriate cognitive structure. Others use IE as a contrast to external enslavement e.g. threats, captivity, state enforced slavery, and so forth. I prefer the terms consensual vs non-consensual to make this distinction. TPE/APE suggests to me a situation in which the s/s/p cannot choose to disobey. "Cannot choose to remove themselves from the dominant's authority." Not the same as not being able to disobey. Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk 27 Dec 05, 2:45 PM Michael_X UK, 6 yrs Hi Tanos, I, obviously, agree with what you write in terms of how the term internal enslavement arose and its original meaning. For better or worse in the various groups I read usage of all these terms has changed. Not that everyone agreed on what TPE/APE meant even way back. I gave a descriptive definition based on the way I observe them being used today rather than the original more prescriptive definition(s). I'm not defending current usage. I think it would be better if people within BDSM did agree on one set of definitions and use them consistently. I also believe in world peace. I am not sure I would see the term IE as simply a better way of describing the same thing as TPE/APE, at least not based on the way the the terms TPE and APE were first used on the ASB usenet newsgroup by Steve Davis and others in the mid 90's and subsequently in many egroups. Then again I can point to many posts on SSBB that do just that . Michael