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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Enslavement vs Total submission" Enslavement vs Total submission (10) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Wed 21 Dec 05, 12:32 PM 617-343-009 6 yrs Hi everyone. I am a newly registered slave to Mistress Jay and would like to ask about what people feel is the difference between being either a slave or a total submissive. Is there more emotional committment need for the latter? 23 Dec 05, 3:43 AM 000-857-861 7 yrs 617-343-009 wrote: Hi everyone. I am a newly registered slave to Mistress Jay and would like to ask about what people feel is the difference between being either a slave or a total submissive. Is there more emotional committment need for the latter? Hi there, welcome. The differences will be debated til the end of time {I don't understand how, but some people don't get the basics}. I am "a slave" my needs are second to my childs and third to my Master's; yes, in THAT order. An M/s relationishp is VERY deep, it can go beyond the physcial into very deep places that most only dream of. "a slave" derives pleasure from her Master's pleasure, "a submissive" deroives pleasure from her Dominant. "A Dominant" essencailly is allowed to life out his fantasies within defined rules an peramaters of the sumbissive, in essence she is in "control;" a slave on the other hand can and usually does have limits, yet, her MAster pushes those to get His pleasure from her. HIS pleasure and desires are paramount, hers come secondary if at all. Thats my take. It's also kinda what will be in the book I am helping to co-author. ~slaverosebeauty "i am Your servant. i shall not be free. You will protect me; You will keep me safe; You will guard me. You will keep me sound; You will protect me from every demon." An Ancient Eqyptian woman's slave contract with the priests of Saknebtynis 23 Dec 05, 3:52 AM fellatia US, 6 yrs 000-857-861 wrote: Thats my take. It's also kinda what will be in the book I am helping to co-author. ~slaverosebeauty Soo very interesting ~ if it so pleases your Master and you, may this slave ask when the book will be out? Edited 23 Dec 05, 4:07 AM by fellatia 23 Dec 05, 4:08 AM 000-857-861 7 yrs 485-234-812 wrote: 000-857-861 wrote: Thats my take. It's also kinda what will be in the book I am helping to co-author. ~slaverosebeauty If it so pleases your Master and you, may this slave ask when the book will be out? I don't know. My co-author and I have been sick the last few months off and on. It takes about a year or so to write a book then another year or so for it come out, I am HOPEING {fingers crossed} middle to end of next year. When I know, I will post that information. "i am Your servant. i shall not be free. You will protect me; You will keep me safe; You will guard me. You will keep me sound; You will protect me from every demon." An Ancient Eqyptian woman's slave contract with the priests of Saknebtynis Edited 27 Dec 05, 9:35 PM by 000-857-861 23 Dec 05, 4:08 PM neal_x US, 6 yrs I think slaverosebeauty's post comes about as close to a D/s consensus as can be found. I have been trying forever (actually just decades) to find some working categories for D/s in general and for me in particular which consistently hold across people. Even though something inside of me does keep trying, for the most part I've given up. So much of it evolves between the individuals. And also, in general so much of this touches on such sensitive points of how each sees themselves and what is right for them that discussions about this frequently deteriorate. I think most would see a "slave" as "deeper" or as having surrendered more rights than a submissive. But then tack on the modifier "total" to submissive and it becomes extremely unclear. In my own realationship I am internally enslaved and while I can think for myself just fine in any areas not related to her I have lost that ability for anything having to do with her or us. (Which btw means there is no reactance since there isn't enough of me that can be reactive.) The limits I have are hers; I don't have any that are not hers. She does not call this state enslavement because while she supports consensual-non-consensual her view of enslavement includes concepts of either initially against one's will and/or slave as property both of which she personally is not comfortable with. I believe most others would see me as her slave. She sees me as extremely submissive to her. (But in most groups if I describe myself as "submissive" not "slave" that would cause them to make assumptions about my freedom which are wrong.) I went into a little detail here just as an example of the variants and intriticies that evolve. neal 25 Dec 05, 7:22 PM cornfield59 US, 6 yrs 617-343-009 wrote: Hi everyone. I am a newly registered slave to Mistress Jay and would like to ask about what people feel is the difference between being either a slave or a total submissive. Is there more emotional committment need for the latter? I am a reasonably new slave -- 14 August '05 -- My relationship to my owner is summarized as follows: I am Mistress' slave I am Mistress' property I have no rights I have no choices I'm not sure what levels of emotional commitment are required. I'm not certain that anyone knows -- I'm not even sure about me. As I am in training, I am denied ALL sexual release. I am required to wait on Mistress and see to her needs. She allows me to worship her feet -- but NOTHING else. She tells me that "some time" later I may be allowed more. I am subjected to varying degrees of bondage she refers to as "attitude adjustments" which can be very taxing. I suppose a total submissive would feel this way toward any Dom -- but a slave is not permitted feelings -- unless told otherwise -- about anyone other than Mistress. I believe more emotional surrender is necessary as a slave than as a total sub. Hope this helps. 26 Dec 05, 3:57 AM 139-715-032 US(MA), 6 yrs 617-343-009 wrote: Hi everyone. I am a newly registered slave to Mistress Jay and would like to ask about what people feel is the difference between being either a slave or a total submissive. Is there more emotional committment need for the latter? If I had to make a distinction, I'd say that a "total submissive" is someone who freely chooses to be obedient to their master in all things. A slave (in my opinion) is someone who simply *is* obedient to their master in all things and could not do otherwise. In a healthy D/s relationship the slave happily chooses to obey if given the choice, but if on any issue of importance they could choose to blatantly disobey their master, then I would not consider them to be enslaved. -- Joshua 27 Dec 05, 9:29 PM little_linnet US, 6 yrs tangie wrote: My own personal opinion is that being submissive or dominant isn't a title, but a personality trait. One can be submissive or dominant without ever having heard of "the lifestyle" or BDSM. That having been said, I further believe that being a "slave" is to be enslaved> I wonder how a person who has never been "enslaved" is a slave? Yeah, you sum up my take on the subject too. Frankly, I'm always surprised that on boards affiliated with www.enslavement.org.uk there would be so much traffic that apparently lacks any understanding of consensual literal enslavement. It's not that I have a problem with people choosing to describe themselves as slaves when their relationship is radically different from the IE model ... but, well, I wonder why they come *here* to do it. Krista Under my thumb / The sweetest / Pet in the world www.xanga.com/proudflesh 28 Dec 05, 6:02 AM little_linnet US, 6 yrs I suppose it wouldn't seem as strange to me if it wasn't specifically the *enslavement* board and if there weren't entirely seperate boards for the discussion of related subjects like captivity and service. And I'm not talking about people preferring different terminology, or having idiosyncrasies in their relationships or opinions. Vive la difference -- I love hearing from people like Tom and his Alpha, babalon, Carolyn, you, all with relationships that are a little different, and new insights or angles. I'm talking about how overwhelmingly common it seems to see people posting who really haven't the faintest idea that there is such a thing as IE, or how it would work. That throws a little wrench in discussing it, no? I guess I'm mostly a little disappointed, as I thought I'd finally found a place to discuss relationships under the same general umbrella as mine, and there seems to be very little of that even here on the board that is dedicated to the subject of TPE/APE/IE. I'm not suggesting anyone doesn't have the *right* to be here, or should feel like they need to prove their creds to post. It just strikes me as a little weird. Under my thumb / The sweetest / Pet in the world www.xanga.com/proudflesh Edited 28 Dec 05, 6:05 AM by little_linnet 28 Dec 05, 8:11 PM babalon US, 6 yrs proudflesh wrote: I suppose it wouldn't seem as strange to me if it wasn't specifically the *enslavement* board and if there weren't entirely seperate boards for the discussion of related subjects like captivity and service. And I'm not talking about people preferring different terminology, or having idiosyncrasies in their relationships or opinions. Vive la difference -- I love hearing from people like Tom and his Alpha, babalon, Carolyn, you, all with relationships that are a little different, and new insights or angles. I'm talking about how overwhelmingly common it seems to see people posting who really haven't the faintest idea that there is such a thing as IE, or how it would work. That throws a little wrench in discussing it, no? I guess I'm mostly a little disappointed, as I thought I'd finally found a place to discuss relationships under the same general umbrella as mine, and there seems to be very little of that even here on the board that is dedicated to the subject of TPE/APE/IE. I'm not suggesting anyone doesn't have the *right* to be here, or should feel like they need to prove their creds to post. It just strikes me as a little weird. I would love to read more postings about IE and how it works. That's one of the things I've come here for. I was surprised to see how many folks here seem to be into very limited (or online-only) D/s and even react negatively to the concept of having no limits (or worse, fantasize that they're no limits with no concept what that means). Ah well. So - care to start a post about IE in action? I look forward to it. babalon 28 Dec 05, 8:32 PM little_linnet US, 6 yrs babalon wrote: So - care to start a post about IE in action? I look forward to it. That's a good idea. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness and all that. I will be thinking of a topic. Krista Under my thumb / The sweetest / Pet in the world www.xanga.com/proudflesh