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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Brainwashing" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Brainwashing (91) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. 31 Jul 07, 8:42 PM 678-111-340 US(CA), 5 yrs Aurelius wrote: If I post something on his behalf, clearly stated as such, clearly marked as such, is it too much to ask that people respond to him by his name (albeit through me) and not attack and hurt me personally? Aurelius Perhaps, or perhaps not. But I know it is certainly not to much to ask that your master-in-the-shadows actually risk HIS OWN precious intellectual neck in a heated discussion like this, rather than slamming down a gauntlet and disappearing on the apparent expectation that you'll deal with whatever the rest of us say. It is NOT difficult to get an account of one's own. I'm sure, if he's capable enough to have written that initial post, he's capable enough to get his own account and take the rest of us on himself instead of hiding behind his slave. - Mynx 31 Jul 07, 8:53 PM Michael_X UK, 6 yrs Aurelius wrote: Exactly how does that work then? You take the replies made to the original post, the one from your "master", to your "master". You convey his response to the board and otherwise keep out of it acting simply as scribe and messenger. Or you suggest he gets his own account. If necessary provide technical help and assistance in creating and using it. Or you get involved by posting your own comments and ad hominem attacks, as you have, after which tough. It's your account, if you post something you disagree with and/or think is crap because you are ordered to do so then say so. If you think it right and agree with it then defend it. Michael 31 Jul 07, 9:04 PM Aurelius 4 yrs Michael_XZ wrote: Aurelius wrote: Exactly how does that work then? Or you get involved by posting your own comments and ad hominem attacks, as you have, after which tough. Michael So I'm attacked personally, and if I dare try and speak up about how wrong I feel that is, I'm fair game. Nice. Thanks a lot. Your opinion is duly noted. Aurelius 31 Jul 07, 9:12 PM Aurelius 4 yrs Ok, fair enough. I give up. All I asked was that people direct responses to what my Owner said to him by name. Yes, I could then pass them on. I didn't object once to the responses themselves. Just the personal attacks on myself. Consider me driven off. Aurelius Edit to add : My Owner now has an account, but if I remember right, there's a 7 day wait before he can post. Edited 31 Jul 07, 9:16 PM by Aurelius 31 Jul 07, 9:16 PM Nemo_bbsl US, 6 yrs Aurelius wrote: Ok, fair enough. I give up. All I asked was that people direct responses to what my Owner said to him by name. Yes, I could then pass them on. I didn't object once to the responses themselves. Just the personal attacks on myself. Consider me driven off. Aurelius This poster reminds me quite a bit of somebody who was banned from the board 6 to 12 months ago. He and either shorn or fellatia got into a dust up, but I can't find the posts now. He claimed to represent some British body which monitors sites such as this. 31 Jul 07, 9:28 PM Michael_X UK, 6 yrs Aurelius wrote: if I dare try and speak up about how wrong I feel that is, I'm fair game. Yep, the moment you join in and make it all about you then you are fair game. You made your choice and it's not pretty to see you engage in self pity at the consequences. On the other hand you might have chosen to serve your owner as scribe and messenger rather than seeking to justify and vindicate yourself. Clearly service that involves self sacrifice isn't your cup of tea. Michael 31 Jul 07, 9:38 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs Aurelius I think you do protest just a tad too much. Your argument that you only responded to a personal attack is specious. It is quite clear to me that whilst Brutal Antipathy addressed his response to you, it was intended for the author of the post - which appeared in your name. I addressed my response to Jacob because I noticed the signature (and then the header) but it was confusing all the same. Many people use screennames and signatures that are different as you can see so it's a perfectly understandable mistake IMHO. Give up on the outrage at BA's attack on you please - it was not meant for you and I think you are not daft enough not to realise it! Let your Master post under your name if he is ready to reply to our points - he did so once and can do so again surely - altho perhaps it might be better for all of us if he didn't! It's an nonsensical stance and fake or misplaced outrage of this sort is boring. I for one have heard enough. Let's have some sensible and calm debate, make a cogent and well thought out point, or hold your peace. anjuli ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *** Noli me tangere, for Caesar's I am. *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 31 Jul 07, 9:38 PM Aurelius 4 yrs Nemo_bbsl wrote: This poster reminds me quite a bit of somebody who was banned from the board 6 to 12 months ago. He and either shorn or fellatia got into a dust up, but I can't find the posts now. He claimed to represent some British body which monitors sites such as this. I represent no monitoring body, or anything of the kind. Nor do I claim to. I've never been banned from here, or anywhere else for that matter. Tanos can check IP logs to verify that. In 7 days my Owner will post for himself. Aurelius 31 Jul 07, 9:43 PM Michael_X UK, 6 yrs Aurelius wrote: In 7 days my Owner will post for himself. Excellent. Michael 31 Jul 07, 10:32 PM Lord_Alston UK, 4 yrs tangie wrote: Aurelius wrote: If I post something on his behalf, clearly stated as such, clearly marked as such, is it too much to ask that people respond to him by his name (albeit through me) and not attack and hurt me personally? Aurelius Your Master--taking for granted that you have a Master who has required you to post this, and is not you trying to stir the pot without taking the consequences of the stirage--has directed you to post thoughts so incendiary as to demand response, yet you wonder why you are under attack when such response is forthcoming. Of COURSE people have responded--that was, IMHO, the whole point of your post. Let's drop all the fooey. If you are active in the M/s subculture, you and your Master know all about conditioning. So what if someone uses the term "brainwashing"? It may conjure up negative images for some, but so does the term "slave" or "owner" for others, yet you seem to be ok with it. I'm of a mind that there's more going on here than meets the eye. This original post by you smacks of a "hit-and-run"; you can post inflammatory thoughts and words, making allusions to the Nazi death camps (which I think EXTRADINARILY disrespectful of you!) yet then when the inevitable response comes in you cry "foul". Too bad--if your Master doesn't like it (or you) than let him step forward to take the backlash. Barbara To Barbara, Deliberately Illiterate (or whatever his screen-name is) and EVERYONE who has had goes at an Owned, who did as his Owner requested, I know both Jacob Pietrovich Levi, and 'Aurelius' PERSONALLY. Yes, they are two entirely separate, distinct persons. They are also not ME. Mr Levi is in my parlour, having a few drinks and chain-smoking, with frustration, however. Mr Levi HAS signed up. You can find his profile under JacobPLevi. He cannot post here for a week, as a new member. That is how the site works. Remember? He asked his Owned to do something for him. IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE TO PUNISH SOMEONE ELSE'S OWNED, FOR WORDS HE POSTED AT THE BEHEST OF HIS OWNER! Kindly desist, until Mr Levi can speak for himself. Can you imagine how incensed YOU would be, if YOUR Owned (sub/slave) were being attacked, for YOUR words, which YOU directed him to post? Especially if you have to wait for a WEEK to be able to reply? Mr Levi is as hot-headed as Decidedly Unreasonable (I can't remember the daft screen-name), but he is not a troll. If Mr Levi does see parallels to the Nazi Death Camps. That is for HIM to explain. Not for me, and certainly NOT for Aurelius, who is Owned, but is neither a mouse, nor a mind-reader. He is very much the Real Man whom Mr Levi stated that he is proud to Own. That said, this codswallop about there being any 'pretence' here can stop. There is none. Aurelius stated very clearly, in bold-face letters, that he was posting in behalf of his Owner. Many emails have come and gone between him, Mr Levi, my Owned, and myself. There is no 'trolling' here. There is no 'fooey'. Mr Levi is kin to a cousin of mine. My Owned, LadyAlston, is Aurelius' sister. Mr Levi and I are considerably older than most of the people here, I should expect. We have been doing what we have been doing, for quite a long time. We respect ourselves, and we respect our Owned. We believe in 'consensual nonconsent', but we have our personal perspectives on the subjects. Mr Levi's comment about the Death Camps was the last line in what he had to say. He is shocked and appalled by the eagerness with which some people approach the concept of 'mind-control'. As was I. I said my piece, at some length, and no one seems to think I am a troll. Mr Levi did not have an account here, and was not certain he wanted one. In fact, he'd asked me to add him as a second Username to my account, which I did, until we discovered that the name on all my posts would change to his, if he used it! Aurelius already had an account. He was not in a position to refuse his Owner's request that he post Mr Levi's words. YOU LOT are disrespecting the Owner-Owned relationship, and indeed calling into question whether it even exists. See for yourselves. Aurelius has a bar-code. So does LadyAlston. Take your own advice, and try not to jump to conclusions so hard that you hit your heads. It's not the heat, it's the stupidity... Lord_Alston (No, that is not my real name; yes, I am really a peer). PS Imagine seeing your sub, publicly flogged, for something he posted at YOUR instructions, and being unable to say anything under your own name for a WEEK. Now imagine being retired from the SAS. I'm doing my best to calm a very irate gentleman down. I suggest you all change the tone of this thread, and LEAVE AURELIUS ALONE. My Owned is willingly part of me. In exchange, I protect her as I would myself. This is a Mutual relationship. Next page