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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "psychological methods" 1 2 psychological methods (12) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Wed 17 Aug 05, 3:24 PM 683-416-935 IL, 6 yrs Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks 14 Sep 05, 2:04 AM sa_fora UK, 10 yrs 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks Hmmmm didn't Shakespeare do a manual for that? Don't worry, be happy! 14 Sep 05, 5:51 AM kitten_in_chains US, 6 yrs £ Y! 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks well this slavegirl is tamed and obedient, so she wouldnt know...but on that note, not sure how to do that, its why girl isnt a Mistress. "white silk kajira" katya 235-254-022 14 Sep 05, 12:03 PM Yarakot 6 yrs 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks Hi, I don't know what you already have. My recommendation is to pick up the book SlaveCraft by Guy Baldwin, which is excellent on the slave side. Also I assume since you are here that you've seen Tanos' excellent work on Internal Enslavement <http://www.enslavement.org.uk/>. If not, check it out. The only other link I can think of off the top of my head is B.E.S.T. Slave Training methods <http://www.bestslavetraining.com/> Another thing to try is to discuss methods here. Carolyn 14 Sep 05, 10:37 PM Chastiser 12 yrs in reality, read as much as you can, bearing in mind the authors are generally writing from their own opinion and experience. what works for them may not suit you. take what you can from such readings and then adapt it to suit your needs and abilities. there will be a need for experimentation, and, as long as you keep it ssc, and the recipient is in complete knowledge of what you are trying to achieve, you can safely move forward into producing your own 'style'. Mike Let Me unchain your mind and your sexuality will follow. www.chastisersworld.com/auction The Kink Friendly Auction site that is free to buyer and seller. 1 Oct 05, 3:04 PM Michael_X UK, 6 yrs 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks You might find this of interest: http://www.peter-masters.com/control_book/index.... Michael 12 Nov 05, 12:56 PM sa_fora UK, 10 yrs michael_mwd wrote: 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks You might find this of interest: http://www.peter-masters.com/control_book/index.... Michael Ohh thats a good link for sure!! Just writing my own which will be rather concise; it should start becoming available over the next few months at www.esclavex.com under the 'training' link. Kind Regards sa-fora Don't worry, be happy! http://www.sa-fora.co.uk http://www.The-Imperium.co.uk http://www.Esclavex.com http://www.ICandyVision.co.uk http://www.ICandyVision.com 1 Jan 06, 9:09 PM 000-434-499 7 yrs 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks Here are the basics to thought control: Every desired response has to have either a neutral or positive response from the controller. Every non-desired response has to have a negative response from the controller. Doing this requires research into the controlled person's reactions and beliefs. You do not paddle somebody who likes paddling unless you're meaning to be providing a positive reward. You do not cane somebody who doesn't like caning unless you are providing a negative punishment. Examples: Your slave talks on the phone to a friend and says says things about you that are disrespectful. Maybe it's to get attention, maybe your slave doesn't know you heard it, or heard about it. You punish them for doing so. You don't do things that you like to do to punish them. You do things your slave doesn't like, or you have your slave do things the slave doesn't like, to punish your slave. That could be yardwork, or scrubbing floors by hand, or standing in the corner, or some torment you enjoy. Now comes the hard part. You have something you enjoy, that your slaves hates. Not a hard limit thing, just something that they really don't enjoy, and wouldn't choose to ask for, or suggest. Ever. But you want your slave not only to do the thing you enjoy, but also to enjoy it. So you tell your slave that you have a goal for them. You want your slave to enjoy that thing you enjoy. That's the goal and the reward will be worth achieving the goal. In this case, the reward is not to be punished for failing to enjoy the thing you enjoy. At this point you don't tell them what the punishment for failure would be, unless it's required in your dynamic. So, you think of the nastiest, meanest most foul punishment possible, and the next time you want to do that thing you enjoy, you do it. If, you don't get the reaction you are desiring from your slave, you then give them that nastiest, meanest most foul punishment and you tell them it's because you expect them to share in your enjoyment of that thing you enjoy, and it was obvious that they didn't. You make it very clear that they wouldn't have to go through this punishment if they enjoyed that thing you enjoy. There will be moping and stamping of feet and crying, but the punishment will be completed before anything else happens, and you can't relent. The next time you want to do that thing you enjoy, you do it. Same rules, same message. "Slave, you wouldn't have to go through this punishment if you had enjoyed doing this thing for me, with me." Then you make the punishment worse, however it works, either making it longer or harder, whatever works. At the end of this even nastier and meaner, and even fouler punishment, you reinforce that its just going to keep getting worse and worse, so they need to re-think their opinion on what they think of that thing that you enjoy. You make it an overriding issue of everything that that matters to them that you do for them. You start adding that punishment to other punishments for other things which had earned lesser 'bad boy' punishments in the past. You don't ever say it's because you're not enjoying that thing you enjoy. You say it's because you would enjoy it more when they enjoy it too, and since you believe they are not as caring about pleasing you as a slave should then you think that your slave needs to be reminded of it, constantly, until your slave learns to enjoy that thing you enjoy. Now they are thinking about it all the time, thinking about it when they are doing anything, because anything done wrong can result in being told to return to this punishment, until they convince you that they do enjoy that thing you enjoy. What works as a really nasty punishment? Hmmm. That varies greatly from person to person. I've found that leaving the slave standing in the corner repeating, "I will not be a selfish slave." for an hour tends to work really well. Have them say it, whisper it, mouth the words, it's all the same. You can't even mouth the words without thinking them. "I am acting like a selfish <choose your own word.", "My Mistress's preferences are my preferences." also work. Or a good hard paddling, that gets longer and longer. It's really up to what you learn and know about your slave. It won't always work. The Mistress has to want to hold the line, and not relent, rather than releasing the slave. The slave has to want to change their opinion of the thing the mistress enjoys, more than wanting to runaway. That's how thought control is made to work, when it can be made to work. 1 Jan 06, 9:36 PM 000-857-861 7 yrs 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks Study psychology and the phisiology of the human and female mind. What sort of information are you exactly looking for?? Communication is the BEST way to get to know someone. ~slaverosebeauty~ "i am Your servant. i shall not be free. You will protect me; You will keep me safe; You will guard me. You will keep me sound; You will protect me from every demon." An Ancient Eqyptian woman's slave contract with the priests of Saknebtynis 2 Jan 06, 10:47 AM Michael_X UK, 6 yrs 683-416-935 wrote: Hi! anyone have some links on psychological methods to tame female-slaves? thanks 000-434-499 wrote: Here are the basics to thought control: I think using punishment in such a situation and in such a fashion would be far more likely to produce the opposite result. It may be hot as a fantasy as how a male masochistic slave wishes to be trained but in reality if applied to a female slave motivated by submission I fear you would end up with a nasty mess. Worse such an approach is hard work for the dom and far from efficient. Analyse the slaves mind. Find out why they have problems with that activity. Use techniques that cognitive behavioural therapists use to treat phobias e.g. modelling, desensitisation, etc. Positive reinforcement is a much subtler and more precise tool. A scalpel as opposed to a blunt machete. However the questioner asked about taming a female slave and I'm really curious - what is meant by taming and in what context. Perhaps the original poster will tell us more? Michael. 3 Jan 06, 5:06 PM babalon US, 6 yrs 000-434-499 wrote: Now comes the hard part. You have something you enjoy, that your slaves hates. Not a hard limit thing, just something that they really don't enjoy, and wouldn't choose to ask for, or suggest. Ever. But you want your slave not only to do the thing you enjoy, but also to enjoy it. So you tell your slave that you have a goal for them. You want your slave to enjoy that thing you enjoy. That's the goal and the reward will be worth achieving the goal. In this case, the reward is not to be punished for failing to enjoy the thing you enjoy. At this point you don't tell them what the punishment for failure would be, unless it's required in your dynamic. So, you think of the nastiest, meanest most foul punishment possible, and the next time you want to do that thing you enjoy, you do it. If, you don't get the reaction you are desiring from your slave, you then give them that nastiest, meanest most foul punishment and you tell them it's because you expect them to share in your enjoyment of that thing you enjoy, and it was obvious that they didn't. You make it very clear that they wouldn't have to go through this punishment if they enjoyed that thing you enjoy. <snip> That's how thought control is made to work, when it can be made to work. Boy, is *this* ever setting you up for failure! Yuck. [shudder] Let me suggest an alternate method... shaping. You tell your slave what goal you want (or not). You REWARD her for any approximation of that goal. As the desired behavior gets reinforced, she'll modify her behavior to do that more often, and you can reward her again for closer approximations to the behavior you desire, and over a fairly short period of time, rewarding for successive approximations (ever closer matches), you achieve the effect. No failure involved, no heartache. Basic conditioning. You don't even need kinky rewards: using simple social reinforcers, such as giving her more attention, and approval, are sufficient. When her behavior strays from the goal you are working toward, you remove the social reinforcer - ignore her, frown, yawn, act uninterested in her. No punishment necessary, simply don't reinforce her. And, she doesn't even have to know what goal you're working toward. This works regardless of the subject's knowledge of the goal. It only requires sufficient levels of consistent interaction to be effective. An example is where a psych professor has been conditioned by his students to lecture only from the far right side of the room. In the beginning, whenever the professor took a step toward the right side, the students would lean forward, ask questions, show interest. When the prof moved toward the left, they would sit back, yawn, act bored. Pretty soon (within a week) the professor was lecturing from the far right, without ever knowing that's what was going on. Basic conditioning using shaping and social reinforcers. babalon Next page