This page sponsored by JT's Stockroom    [other banners]

	TSR : Web boards : Other Topics : "slave = person or IT" 1 2 3 slave = person or IT (22) This post is on the Other Topics web board (moved from M/s D/s O&P). Sun 29 Jan 12, 12:35 PM 543-759-486 IE, 19 mths hi, 4 months ago i was chatting to a Mistress online and we were getting on well. She said she will train me firstly online and then in real time. i was over joyed as she is truly magnificent. Anyways i have been under training now for the past 3 months and her temperament for me has changed dramatically. Please note this is only online at the moment as She has not accepted me into real time yet. Anyways the other day she was saying she felt sorry for me, that my life would solely consist of work and slavery and that i was not fit/able to be in a healthy loving relationship. That i was a slave and as such needed to start thinking like an IT rather than a person. i ask is this standard? Deep down i do have slave tendencies and know with training i could go deeper and deeper but are slaves destined to live as ITs, second to people? Its a pretty scary thought. Please advise both Mistresses and Masters. Thank you. 29 Jan 12, 2:29 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs 543-759-486 wrote: slave = person or IT hi, 4 months ago i was chatting to a Mistress online and we were getting on well. She said she will train me firstly online and then in real time. i was over joyed as she is truly magnificent. Anyways i have been under training now for the past 3 months and her temperament for me has changed dramatically. Please note this is only online at the moment as She has not accepted me into real time yet. Anyways the other day she was saying she felt sorry for me, that my life would solely consist of work and slavery and that i was not fit/able to be in a healthy loving relationship. That i was a slave and as such needed to start thinking like an IT rather than a person. i ask is this standard? Deep down i do have slave tendencies and know with training i could go deeper and deeper but are slaves destined to live as ITs, second to people? Its a pretty scary thought. Please advise both Mistresses and Masters. Thank you. It depends on the relationship... to my Master I am a person, deserving of human dignity and respect. To others, slaves are seen as property not much different than a chair or a table, hence they are ITs. If you desire to be treated as human, you had better find a Mistress who will respect you as such. If you want to spend the rest of your life as no more than an IT... then you are where you should be and your Mistress can proceed with the process of depersonalization. "We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us. The old skin must be shed before a new one can come." ~ Joseph Campbell 29 Jan 12, 3:54 PM Mistress_Rebekah CA, 10 mths Y! My sub would never be an "it" in my eyes. It is his belief that, as a man, he is inferior to women and especially inferior to me because I am his Mistress. My belief is, simply, that he is submissive and derives pleasure/fulfillment from serving me and that our roles in our relationship are just "right" and are how things are meant to be. My sub is very much a human, a person, a being with thoughts, feelings, opinions and ideas. My sub is extremely intelligent and I would never try and take any of that away from him... it is what I appreciate most about him. A slave becoming an "it" is down to the slave him/her-self and to the Master or Mistress they choose (or who chooses them, I suppose?)... Everyone has different ideas/opinions as to what an M/s or D/s lifestyle should be and to each their own... what works for me and my sub may not work for you or for anyone else. If you are not the type of willing slave who wishes to be an "it", then do not submit to someone who tells you it's all you are. M. Rebekah 29 Jan 12, 7:36 PM 902-660-194 US(PA), 6 yrs i am my Master's wife.. therefore i am not an it. He loves me as much as He dominates me the sting of His whip~ the welts from His crop~ the warmth of His kiss~ the click of the lock~ assures me i am His most cherished possession.. 29 Jan 12, 8:00 PM 000-719-381 US(TX), 10 yrs Y! a slave can be synonymous with an "it". this slave has readily accepted being regarded and called as such; after all, it is owned property. Nonetheless, an "it/slave" still has value which only a person can have; its devotion to its Owner is of a different nature than a dog or other pet could ever exhibit, much less than the pure "object-ness" that an owned inanimate object is of its very nature. The free-ill of a slave giving of itself to be owned property and its still present capacity for human thought and human emotion raise it above the level of all other owned objects. As slave, this cunt may be 'it" but "it" is an object of unique being and value because it still knows that it has chosen be be Another's it. respectfully No-One's "it" 000-719-381 30 Jan 12, 4:00 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs 543-759-486 wrote: slave = person or IT hi, 4 months ago i was chatting to a Mistress online and we were getting on well. She said she will train me firstly online and then in real time. i was over joyed as she is truly magnificent. Anyways i have been under training now for the past 3 months and her temperament for me has changed dramatically. Please note this is only online at the moment as She has not accepted me into real time yet. Anyways the other day she was saying she felt sorry for me, that my life would solely consist of work and slavery and that i was not fit/able to be in a healthy loving relationship. That i was a slave and as such needed to start thinking like an IT rather than a person. i ask is this standard? Deep down i do have slave tendencies and know with training i could go deeper and deeper but are slaves destined to live as ITs, second to people? Its a pretty scary thought. Please advise both Mistresses and Masters. Thank you. I am not an "it", nor will I ever be one. My Master values me, protects me and looks after me by showing me with his care, words and deeds. I would not be content or happy in life, to be classified as "not fit to be in a healthy loving relationship." I would wither like a dry flower. The relationship would also eventually wither and die. I suppose that it depends on if this is something you want. From what you say, her demeanor has changed. Was this gradual or sudden change within the scope of what you discussed before starting training? You did discuss what your needs and wants were when you first starting communicating I hope, as well as what you were looking for in this type of dynamic, what your limits were/are and where and how this relationship would progress both OL and in RL right? I am sure you also discussed how long it would be before meeting in RL, with what direction it would take, ie strictly service, sexual, long term partnership or marriage? The reason I mention these things is because different people look for different things when they start down this path. As you will have heard before, communication is so important. Getting to know the person you plan on giving control over yourself to is just as impotant. You have to ensure you both are on the same page and have those things in common that will allow you to pass over that control as well as the trust it entails. Not to mention making sure you are truly compatible. If being an "it" is something you want and know you can live with and be content with well, maybe it is the right thing for you. If after really thinking about it, you know in your heart that it isn't something you woud be comfortable with or know you wouldn't grow as a slave, then you might want to have a serious, honest talk with your Mistress and then decide if this is the right one for you. A discussion may be necessary anyways if you have not talked about the things mentioned above. If this was something that came out of left field at you, I would probably compare it to going on a trip from New York and half way there, having the driver turn around and say they decided to go to Los Angeles instead. Food for thought certainly. All the best to you. Disclaimer: My thoughts and writing style may differ from yours. I take no responsibility for your perception. Read at your own risk. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 30 Jan 12, 6:46 AM Prolixitys_Saphira US, 16 mths I'd be more worried about her comments about you not being fit for a normal, healthy relationship. I personally would be wary of a dom/me who doesn't think that D/s dynamics can fit under the category of normal and healthy. To me that shows the dom/me thinks of the sub as a mentally unhealthy person who engages in deviant behavior that "normal" people would not subject themselves to. While there are most likely subs like that out there, it's just not true for the majority of those involved in a D/s dynamic. Owned, loved and protected by Prolixity. 30 Jan 12, 10:22 AM 000-731-321 10 yrs 543-759-486 wrote: slave = person or IT hi, 4 months ago i was chatting to a Mistress online and we were getting on well. She said she will train me firstly online and then in real time. i was over joyed as she is truly magnificent. Anyways i have been under training now for the past 3 months and her temperament for me has changed dramatically. Please note this is only online at the moment as She has not accepted me into real time yet. This is not unusual. In the beginning, there is the courtship period which is obviously different for slaves than for a vanilla relationship. 543-759-486 wrote: Anyways the other day she was saying she felt sorry for me, that my life would solely consist of work and slavery and that i was not fit/able to be in a healthy loving relationship. That i was a slave and as such needed to start thinking like an IT rather than a person. i ask is this standard? Yes, this is standard. She is checking to see if you accept your role as She sees it. 543-759-486 wrote: Deep down i do have slave tendencies and know with training i could go deeper and deeper but are slaves destined to live as ITs, second to people? Its a pretty scary thought. Please advise both Mistresses and Masters. Thank you. i am not a Mistress or a Master but i have been down the road before. She is telling you that you are at the crossroads. If you are ready, accept the position understanding that male slaves relinquish power. If you are not ready, tell your Mistress that you are not ready yet. However, She would not be asking these questions if She didn't think that you were ready. It is a Mistress thing to sympathize with your plight before turning up the heat (and if you thought it was scarey now). If you waffle, you risk losing Her (which may not be a bad thing if you truly aren't ready). i have seen Mistresses disengage at this point because They didn't want to throw any more good money after bad. And yes, be prepared to be treated as a second class citizen. you knew that when you started training. At some point, you have to take the plunge. Just remember, as a slave, it is your job to provide the best service that you can. But it is also your job to take care of yourself enough to provide that service. Don't burn out. i wish you the best of luck! 30 Jan 12, 12:48 PM slave_torianna US(GA), 15 mths Daddy does not refer to me as an IT. We are M/s however very much in love. I cant see Him ever treating me as just an 'it, a thing' (makes one sound disposable)...example that made me smile so big: Some random guy stopped us yesterday and wanted to talk about the greed of America and how we only look out for ourselves and 'end of the world' shit. Daddy simply said, he is fine with being viewed as only looking out for '# 1' bc at the end of the day, when America colapses, there is only gonna be 1 concern - and He pointed at me ... Makes me tear up still. This is what we want in an M/s relationship. Decide what it is YOU want and then you will know how best to choose a Mistresd for you to serve. It's not right or wrong either way, but you do want to be clear with yourself about that you want....otherwise life can end up full of chaos and unhappines. wishing you the best!! slave torianna i dont walk in front or beside Daddy, i walk a step behind in my place, but close enough to grab His shirt tail if i ever get scared. i'm thankful to my Master that never leaves me behind. Thank you for loving someone like me Daddy. 30 Jan 12, 2:05 PM 000-772-096 US, 7 yrs Although the question and answers are thought provoking, this is a post about an online relationship. I have taken the liberty of requesting it be moved to the appropriate board. r~ I use the terms Master(male) & slave(female) because that is who we are. Insert all possible disclaimers - my thoughts, my opinions, my experiences, my words. Your mileage should vary. I'm one of "those people." Above all - I believe in Master. I find it's hard to stumble when you are on your knees. 30 Jan 12, 2:26 PM 543-759-486 IE, 19 mths Everyone thank you for your answers they are very informative and have provided me with much food for thought. This thread is about relationships in general there fore i would prefer if you did not take any such liberties. The dynamics that exist between people (Master/Mistress and slave) is what this thread is about and i believe it to be informative to other members of this site. thank you again for all your answers Next page