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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Gay Master/Straight Slave" 1 2 Gay Master/Straight Slave (11) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Fri 27 Jan 12, 8:58 PM SirCris UK, 2 yrs I find myself in a position where I have someone who is a slave in all but name to me, part-time. This leaves me with something of a quandry, due to our differing sexual orientations, as he has given me the right to use his body as i see fit, when we meet. We originally met as the result of a personal ad, where i was looking for someone to spank. He is married, with a preteen child, and is straight. Starting simply as someone to spank, our relationship has developed, to where he has given full control over his body. Originally, he said his limits were that he could not do oral or anal, however his continuing and growing submission to me, has me wondering, about changing this. His last visit to me I invaded him with my fingers I'm wondering how far i should push him to include anal, so that i may have all my needs filled, and also if i do push, what may be the best way to push him. Looking for some advice. 27 Jan 12, 11:16 PM Dagobert US(WA), 18 mths I may be off-base here but I would venture to say that this slave had at least a slight leaning towards homosexuality before meeting you, despite what he may say. I find it slightly difficult to believe that a man would willingly submit to being spanked by another man without SOME attraction to the same sex. I may be completely wrong, but it seems more plausible than not to me. Perhaps he is having such a hard time admitting these feeling to himself that he is actively seeking someone else to "force" him into it? Nonetheless, good luck! 27 Jan 12, 11:31 PM Mistress_Rebekah CA, 7 mths Y! Dagobert wrote: I may be off-base here but I would venture to say that this slave had at least a slight leaning towards homosexuality before meeting you, despite what he may say. I find it slightly difficult to believe that a man would willingly submit to being spanked by another man without SOME attraction to the same sex. I may be completely wrong, but it seems more plausible than not to me. Perhaps he is having such a hard time admitting these feeling to himself that he is actively seeking someone else to "force" him into it? Nonetheless, good luck! I am with Dagobert on this one. There are so many married people - men especially - who have gay tendencies and are either ashamed or afraid to admit them (to anyone, but especially themselves). So they deny that they are gay (or even, at the very least, bi-sexual)... but actions speak louder than words. I don't, personally, know any men who would be willing to be spanked or "invaded" by another man if they didn't at least have some gay tendencies. As a general rule that sort of behaviour would be such a huge turn-off to completely straight lads. Don't get me wrong, I haven't got any problems with it... I just think your sub or whatever he happens to be should be honest with both you and himself. If he is willing to let you use his body whatever way you see fit, then I think that is an invitation to you to do what it is that you're questioning on here... but perhaps a conversation with him, first, would be helpful. Best of luck... M. Rebekah 28 Jan 12, 3:10 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs While the posts above may have a point, there is also the other side to consider in this particular situation, the male slave perspective. In the thread "So few male slaves" one particular post outlines an opposite viewpoint on this subject by understanding submission in another way perhaps? 000-731-321 wrote: jbdogowner wrote: My own view on a male slave "progressing" is that it is one step further and sexually it is also passive, a limit pushed a new world explored etc... Yes, i can see it now. Submission overrides the sexual orientation and slavery becomes the primary function (over hetero, bi, or gay). Progression to be sure for many. I have heard this from other male s types in the past, the submission and service are the primary function. So, while it may or may not mean that this slave has gay/bi tendancies, it probably would be a good idea to have a frank straight forward talk before moving to this next level.. After all, although many might not have met a straight male who would submit sexually in this way, who's to say they don't exist? Have a lovely evening all. Edited to change a few words. Disclaimer: My thoughts and writing style may differ from yours. I take no responsibility for your perception. Read at your own risk. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown Edited 28 Jan 12, 3:13 AM by 333-528-841 28 Jan 12, 6:31 AM 766-003-205 US(CA), 8 mths Y! When Master wanted to learn single tail we were introduced to a woman renown for her expertise. She gives free training to anyone who wants to learn. i am a masochist who especially loves single tail. She is a lesbian and i have had no problem with it and when she has a party and wants to whip me, if He's agreeable, i strip right down and she does it. Sometimes He is present and sometimes not. For long time she was my only source for single tail. i didn't care WHERE i got it as long as they were not inexperienced. Interestingly i never once felt attracted to her. When Master first offered me to her, i was excited by the submission. At that time i didn't even know she was a lesbian. Hours later, after a party Master and i could have great sex. Now He knows how and it is great. Like when i got my tats. i NEVER was interested in the artist, did NOT enjoy the act of getting a tattoo at all. Could hardly wait for it to be over. Hours later-- incredibly wild, intense sex. If i were a sub to her- i probably could let her invade me IF i were her sub, though i don't see any pleasure except submission which is as much of a drive as sex. Sometimes it crosses over but sometimes it doesn't as it is independent of sex. Having anal- i could tune it out if i didn't want it but was submitting, (i like anal though) and could again, get a submission apart from sexual high. In the past when having sex before M/s with a BF i wasn't particularly into- i could tune it out and be elsewhere. But in M/s or D/s now that i am in touch and okay with my submissiveness i would/do submit and enjoy THAT part of it. Basically if my eyes were covered, i wouldn't know WHO was doing something (depending of course on how much hand touching)so i don't see a problem, but as oral as i WOULD know and have to deal with the normal female odor, that would not work for me at all. There IS a possibility that his submission has deepened enough to trust YOU with with ANYTHING HE CAN BE PASSIVE WITH, and not react negatively but enjoy the submission. OR He may be bisexual and didn't know it. Oral- that would not work as the odor of women is noxious to me. It is also not passive but active. Healthy doesn't matter- can't do it. As for paddling- he may be detached from you as a sex object/partner but get a masochistic arousal that triggers when he sees his wife or GF. It sounds like talking about it all might be important at this point. Anal training might at least be something he would be willing to do. Or again, perhaps he is bisexual and that has awakened a bit. Edited 28 Jan 12, 6:33 AM by 766-003-205 28 Jan 12, 8:48 AM SirCris UK, 2 yrs He sys his pleasure comes from his submission, or rather his humiliation in his submissionto another man. He is scared, and tries to not resist my demands, but sometimes i see his internal resistance which he does his best to conceal. When we initially met I was happy to stay within his (straight) boundaries, but he has himself broken these boundaries, and so I do wonder if he has bi tendencies,but I remain convinced that he is 90% straight. I have told him that I plan to take him to a spank club, and exhibit him, and he is terrified. Terrified of the public humiliation, and even more terrified that I might lend him out, but resigned to both, simply because I wish it. We do talk, but he remains resistant to oral/anal, however given the comments above I wonder if I should push for him to submit anally, but not orally. 28 Jan 12, 5:09 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs SirCris wrote: He sys his pleasure comes from his submission, or rather his humiliation in his submissionto another man. He is scared, and tries to not resist my demands, but sometimes i see his internal resistance which he does his best to conceal. When we initially met I was happy to stay within his (straight) boundaries, but he has himself broken these boundaries, and so I do wonder if he has bi tendencies,but I remain convinced that he is 90% straight. I have told him that I plan to take him to a spank club, and exhibit him, and he is terrified. Terrified of the public humiliation, and even more terrified that I might lend him out, but resigned to both, simply because I wish it. We do talk, but he remains resistant to oral/anal, however given the comments above I wonder if I should push for him to submit anally, but not orally. There is no rush if he is resistant to certain things. Rome was not built in a day. Even if your slave likes the humiliation from the submission, it isn't unusual that he would be scared. It's all going beyond limits for him. Fear of the unknown is normal really. Only you know what is right for your dynamic. I would just say though, whatever you do decide, you both might benefit more if your decision comes after fully reflecting on any discussions the two of you have. Also, the level of trust your slave has exhibited in you should be taken Into account. It takes time and work to build this trust but only a few moments to destroy it. All the best to you both. Ps usual apologies for any errors as this is written on my phone. Disclaimer: My thoughts and writing style may differ from yours. I take no responsibility for your perception. Read at your own risk. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 28 Jan 12, 6:09 PM 766-003-205 US(CA), 8 mths Y! 333-528-841 wrote: SirCris wrote: He sys his pleasure comes from his submission, or rather his humiliation in his submissionto another man. He is scared, and tries to not resist my demands, but sometimes i see his internal resistance which he does his best to conceal. When we initially met I was happy to stay within his (straight) boundaries, but he has himself broken these boundaries, and so I do wonder if he has bi tendencies,but I remain convinced that he is 90% straight. I have told him that I plan to take him to a spank club, and exhibit him, and he is terrified. Terrified of the public humiliation, and even more terrified that I might lend him out, but resigned to both, simply because I wish it. We do talk, but he remains resistant to oral/anal, however given the comments above I wonder if I should push for him to submit anally, but not orally. There is no rush if he is resistant to certain things. Rome was not built in a day. Even if your slave likes the humiliation from the submission, it isn't unusual that he would be scared. It's all going beyond limits for him. Fear of the unknown is normal really. Only you know what is right for your dynamic. I would just say though, whatever you do decide, you both might benefit more if your decision comes after fully reflecting on any discussions the two of you have. Also, the level of trust your slave has exhibited in you should be taken Into account. It takes time and work to build this trust but only a few moments to destroy it. All the best to you both. Ps usual apologies for any errors as this is written on my phone. Absolutely, Rome took a little time! i would advise against piling too many terrors together at one time. Maybe promise not to loan him THIS time, but take him so he can adjust to the idea of public nudity and exhibition.It may take several times to relax enough to even consider loaning him. You might be able to read that loaning would not work at all-if he is married he has to consider STD's etc. If i were loaned out i would know He would be there controlling things too. Not leave it up to others. Even if he is bi, if he doesn't know it or isn't comfortable with it internally it might push him over the edge for too many things too fast. We can all theorize about slaves doing what they/we are told and think they/we can- but if it is over the edge- REAL panic will cause the best to flee. One way to get him used to anal is get him a trainer set. 3 plugs, they cost about $10 for the whole set. Teach him to be patient, LOTS of lube and have him do it himself. He can use condoms to cover them, teach him how to clean before/after etc. Give him X number of weeks for each size. This is not just t prevent him from pushing too hard and tearing himself, but to get him used to the idea of anal. Give him a schedule of daily practice and to let you know if he feels he shouldn't/can't do it for some reason. Anyway- just a thought. Sometimes people can get used to something really scary if they have some control initially and then see it's not so bad then turn over the control rather than keep a hard limit. If he likes the plugs it might awaken his awareness of any tendencies he may have and be more interested in exploring them. OR he might just like the plugs. The LAST thing you want is to have him think you are trying to "convert" him- which of course you can't do, but it might awaken a fear in him that neither of you are ready to cope with. i can see where he could be totally getting off on another man ordering him about without the sex. Edited 28 Jan 12, 7:07 PM by 766-003-205 28 Jan 12, 9:52 PM mastersgirl3 US, 2 mths Mistress_Rebekah wrote: Dagobert wrote: I may be off-base here but I would venture to say that this slave had at least a slight leaning towards homosexuality before meeting you, despite what he may say. I find it slightly difficult to believe that a man would willingly submit to being spanked by another man without SOME attraction to the same sex. I may be completely wrong, but it seems more plausible than not to me. Perhaps he is having such a hard time admitting these feeling to himself that he is actively seeking someone else to "force" him into it? Nonetheless, good luck! I am with Dagobert on this one. There are so many married people - men especially - who have gay tendencies and are either ashamed or afraid to admit them (to anyone, but especially themselves). So they deny that they are gay (or even, at the very least, bi-sexual)... but actions speak louder than words. I don't, personally, know any men who would be willing to be spanked or "invaded" by another man if they didn't at least have some gay tendencies. As a general rule that sort of behaviour would be such a huge turn-off to completely straight lads. Don't get me wrong, I haven't got any problems with it... I just think your sub or whatever he happens to be should be honest with both you and himself. If he is willing to let you use his body whatever way you see fit, then I think that is an invitation to you to do what it is that you're questioning on here... but perhaps a conversation with him, first, would be helpful. Best of luck... M. Rebekah i agree with both of these postings. if a man wants to be spanked by another man then i feel like he has hidden or undiscovered homosexual tendencies. If this is true though i would ease into it as it could backfire. True or not he may never accept it. 29 Jan 12, 1:11 PM SirCris UK, 2 yrs 333-528-841 wrote: Also, the level of trust your slave has exhibited in you should be taken Into account. It takes time and work to build this trust but only a few moments to destroy it. All the best to you both. Thank you for reminding me of this. 31 Jan 12, 9:08 AM 918-810-996 UK, 4 mths Hi I was straight male sub also but ended up a sissy maid providing oral anal all male subs will end up doing this at some stage just takes awhile to ajust to our new roles with male owners x Next page