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	TSR : Web boards : Other Topics : "Online slavery is..." 1 2 3 4 5 Online slavery is... (43) This post is on the Other Topics web board. 29 Jan 12, 2:41 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs naughtyslave wrote: ***smiles at 333***....all i really hoped to accomplish was a clearer understanding of what can exist in the online world of the lifestyle. Maybe i have done that..maybe not. When i think about the members here that are online i feel for them when i read these threads. i cant help it, it's who i am. Some of the people that are online are stuck there because of where the live..like the slave out in the sticks in mississippi or the girl in barrow alaska...those people who cannot relocate and this lifestyle is unheard of where they live. They know they want to serve but how? Their only option is online...they develop a beautiful relationship with each other but cannot relocate..what are those kind of people suppose to do? Do they live without it at all? Do they do the best they can with what they have... ok hell i have made my point..i will shut up now i have enjoyed this discussion with all of you..thank you for that even though this was not even my thread. My apologies to the op for taking this over.. They can serve... online... but the service and the type of slavery is different than in real-life slavery and we do the onliners a disservice if they think it is the same. The reality is, very few online relationships translate well to in real-life slavery. The whipping scenario I provided is an example of this, as is the example you provided as well. You may love being whipped on-line, but scream bloody murder in real life. Can you imagine what would happen in real-time if you were to eat ding dongs in front of your Master instead of doing the task he asked of you. I expect you would not get away with the lie. I am not prepared to test my Master in this way to find out, are you? I believe the first explorations of slavery can take place online, even rudimentary control can be explored and knowledge of this lifestyle can be gained... but at the end of the day... that experience is going to be vastly different than when that slave stands for the first time in front of a Master in real life. There is nothing wrong with online slavery... it is all some people have... but it is delusional to think that in real-life slavery is the same as online... it is not. "We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us. The old skin must be shed before a new one can come." ~ Joseph Campbell 29 Jan 12, 5:17 PM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs point taken i will say this...because of my online training..when i stood before my Master and was told to strip (my favorite..not) i knew exactly what i had to do...i knew what was expected of me and that my shyness had no place there. The online training i had, provided me the basics on discipline so that i could earn the collar i am wearing now. So it was useful. So i just wanted to make all these points so that the next time someone was excited and posted a thread about their online relationship...maybe we could all be a little kinder with our words and not slam their face into the ground with...your a fake..but maybe say it is different from the way i live so i cant comment on it. This to me would be much nicer and less hurtful to the ones that have just discovered this lifestyle with the only means to live it that they have... Take care, His naughtyslave Edited 29 Jan 12, 5:38 PM by naughtyslave 29 Jan 12, 6:29 PM jean48xxx 8 mths 670-724-241 wrote: Online slavery is... Hello everyone, While i am new here and currently seeking....i would like to offer my opinion. Online is often a good "jumping off" point for many who are unable to immediately take part in their local community. However, to continue online or to seek it exclusively is in my estimation akin to online gaming or any other type of online role-play. To me, it is just that, "role-play". i do think they should be sure to make it clear to those they are interested in that they have no desire to move beyond the cyber realm. imho jeanna 1 Feb 12, 6:46 PM 689-247-922 UK, 17 mths i'd like to try and clarify something if i may please - after this thread, i don't feel able to post on other threads anymore. i feel like i don't have the right to have a voice here now. i wanted to post on @Mistress_Rebekah's "Love: Enhancer or...?" thread but i find i can't. Not only am i OL but that thread was on the M/s D/s O&P board, where anything OL is off-limits: does that mean posting something to it is also off-limits if the experience is based in OL? Whenever i have posted in the past i have always tried to remember to mention that i am not 24:7, that i am almost OL. I do this so that other folks can read what i have to say and know that my experiences are very different from others - not lesser, but very, very different. Now it feels like i just shouldn't say anything at all. A final question, what defines OL? Never met your D/O/M? What if you've only met once, twice? Still OL or is that now RL? Me, i've met Sir three times in nearly three years - do i get the RL badge? Or the OL branding? i have no idea what the point of this post is - i hope somebody will be able to see through the waffle and the hurt, and explain to me what's gone on here? Thank you for your time, jx Edited 1 Feb 12, 6:48 PM by 689-247-922 1 Feb 12, 8:13 PM Pet_Girl US, 14 mths 689-247-922 wrote: i'd like to try and clarify something if i may please - after this thread, i don't feel able to post on other threads anymore. i feel like i don't have the right to have a voice here now. i wanted to post on @Mistress_Rebekah's "Love: Enhancer or...?" thread but i find i can't. Not only am i OL but that thread was on the M/s D/s O&P board, where anything OL is off-limits: does that mean posting something to it is also off-limits if the experience is based in OL? Whenever i have posted in the past i have always tried to remember to mention that i am not 24:7, that i am almost OL. I do this so that other folks can read what i have to say and know that my experiences are very different from others - not lesser, but very, very different. Now it feels like i just shouldn't say anything at all. A final question, what defines OL? Never met your D/O/M? What if you've only met once, twice? Still OL or is that now RL? Me, i've met Sir three times in nearly three years - do i get the RL badge? Or the OL branding? i have no idea what the point of this post is - i hope somebody will be able to see through the waffle and the hurt, and explain to me what's gone on here? Thank you for your time, jx I would like to think that the majority of people's issues with OL is the people who go around acting like they're real time. By that I mean they have never had a flogger to their back and yet they tell people they can take 1000 lashings with a flogger, or the people who say they've just been beaten and they've never had a hand laid on them, the ones who talk about the emotion of having a Master's hand around your throat but who have never had that. In my opinion, people who are live in slaves and try to find people who they can talk with about that have found too many people who have been posers. There is a cynicism that comes with dealing with too many fakers. Let's be honest, a healthy dose of cynicism keeps you safe. I would like to think that the posers are in the minority, but who actually knows. Perhaps it's that the posers are more vocal because they are so desperate to prove themselves real. I do believe that online slavery and relationships are real. They are different than live-in or live-near ones, but they are real. The emotions are there, but they can be different ones. I'm not saying that you can't love someone you only talk to online, but there is a tangible aspect that isn't there, there's no point in arguing that. My relationship is currently, technically online, my boyfriend had to leave for business overseas and has been gone for 3 months and will be gone for about one more. It kills me, but it's technically online, because we don't have that tangible aspect. That doesn't mean that when he goes to bed 7 hours before I do that I stop thinking of him, worrying about him, or hoping that he sees me in his dreams. It's not out of sight out of mind. Sure, some people are like that, but not all of them. If your Master is out of sight out of mind, then yeah, I agree, your online slavery isn't real, BUT if He isn't, then it's real whether it's real time or not. If a person has the mental aspect of a slave and follows the rules set forth by their Master then they are a slave whether or not they have the luxury of living with or near their Master. The online slavery put forth by the posers is not online slavery, but the online slavery put forth by the ones with the mentality and determination of a slave without the luxury of living with their Master is slavery. Different slavery, but slavery nonetheless. If you have that and enough grasp on reality to know that when He's not there he can't tap you on the shoulder or beat your ass Himself, then in my opinion it is OUR problem if we can't accept your experiences and emotions. 1 Feb 12, 9:46 PM SeanT70 9 yrs 689-247-922 wrote: i'd like to try and clarify something if i may please - after this thread, i don't feel able to post on other threads anymore. i feel like i don't have the right to have a voice here now. i wanted to post on @Mistress_Rebekah's "Love: Enhancer or...?" thread but i find i can't. Not only am i OL but that thread was on the M/s D/s O&P board, where anything OL is off-limits: does that mean posting something to it is also off-limits if the experience is based in OL? Whenever i have posted in the past i have always tried to remember to mention that i am not 24:7, that i am almost OL. I do this so that other folks can read what i have to say and know that my experiences are very different from others - not lesser, but very, very different. Now it feels like i just shouldn't say anything at all. A final question, what defines OL? Never met your D/O/M? What if you've only met once, twice? Still OL or is that now RL? Me, i've met Sir three times in nearly three years - do i get the RL badge? Or the OL branding? i have no idea what the point of this post is - i hope somebody will be able to see through the waffle and the hurt, and explain to me what's gone on here? Thank you for your time, jx Hey, I can see what you're saying, and I think it's actually quite simple to differentiate. Online Relationship Threads are Off-Topic for the main boards. Ergo, they should not be started there and will fairly likely find themsleves on the Off-Topic Board pretty quickly. The simple fact that you live in an online relationship does not disqualify you from saying 'boo' to a goose about 'anything' on another board. You're entitled to an opinion as a member of TSR, regardless. There is a big difference between posting on a thread (in whichever context, and bearing in mind the inherent differences between your own and other relationships), and starting a new thread in the wrong place. To clarify, I don't currently practice, nor am I in *any* form of relationship, period..am I gonna stop posting? Am I heck I trust this helps, Sean. *ETA..this is bearing in mind I said I wouldn't be back on this thread. I'm done now. I thought clarity between where to post and legitimacy of membership (at all), mattered a great deal. Edited 1 Feb 12, 9:51 PM by SeanT70 1 Feb 12, 10:52 PM Mistress_Rebekah CA, 10 mths Y! 689-247-922 wrote: i'd like to try and clarify something if i may please - after this thread, i don't feel able to post on other threads anymore. i feel like i don't have the right to have a voice here now. i wanted to post on @Mistress_Rebekah's "Love: Enhancer or...?" thread but i find i can't. Not only am i OL but that thread was on the M/s D/s O&P board, where anything OL is off-limits: does that mean posting something to it is also off-limits if the experience is based in OL? Whenever i have posted in the past i have always tried to remember to mention that i am not 24:7, that i am almost OL. I do this so that other folks can read what i have to say and know that my experiences are very different from others - not lesser, but very, very different. Now it feels like i just shouldn't say anything at all. A final question, what defines OL? Never met your D/O/M? What if you've only met once, twice? Still OL or is that now RL? Me, i've met Sir three times in nearly three years - do i get the RL badge? Or the OL branding? i have no idea what the point of this post is - i hope somebody will be able to see through the waffle and the hurt, and explain to me what's gone on here? Thank you for your time, jx Personally, I would like it if you commented on the aforementioned thread (or any other thread, for that matter). I think that as long as someone is honest - to themselves and to the wider community here - one's relationship status shouldn't matter. I don't really care about online v. real life... it's not an applicable argument to me... I was only trying to state the fact that they are two different types of relationships with different types of experiences... I think most people probably yearn for a real life relationship... perhaps that is why some people who are in a real life relationship tend to look down on those who find themselves only in on-line relationships?? The comments, above, about not being fake/a poser ring true with me. I hate to think people come here for "shits and giggles"... and just post randomly, whatever strikes their fancy (although, I think the TSR community is pretty good at sniffing the "fakers" out, lol)... but what is nice is real people posting real thoughts and real opinions... whether those come from on-line experience or life away from the computer... whatever. Just so long as someone doesn't try and pass-off their experience for something other than what it is... Personally, I like to try and get to "know" the person behind the words... I like to know where they're drawing their opinions/experience from... but maybe that's just me. By all means... continue to post! You should never feel as if you're not welcome... just make sure if you're starting threads to put them in the appropriate place... a lot of people here get pretty cranky if they're in the wrong spot M. Rebekah 1 Feb 12, 11:00 PM Glinda UK, 2 yrs Mistress_Rebekah wrote: 689-247-922 wrote: i'd like to try and clarify something if i may please - after this thread, i don't feel able to post on other threads anymore. i feel like i don't have the right to have a voice here now. i wanted to post on @Mistress_Rebekah's "Love: Enhancer or...?" thread but i find i can't. Not only am i OL but that thread was on the M/s D/s O&P board, where anything OL is off-limits: does that mean posting something to it is also off-limits if the experience is based in OL? Whenever i have posted in the past i have always tried to remember to mention that i am not 24:7, that i am almost OL. I do this so that other folks can read what i have to say and know that my experiences are very different from others - not lesser, but very, very different. Now it feels like i just shouldn't say anything at all. A final question, what defines OL? Never met your D/O/M? What if you've only met once, twice? Still OL or is that now RL? Me, i've met Sir three times in nearly three years - do i get the RL badge? Or the OL branding? i have no idea what the point of this post is - i hope somebody will be able to see through the waffle and the hurt, and explain to me what's gone on here? Thank you for your time, jx Personally, I would like it if you commented on the aforementioned thread (or any other thread, for that matter). I think that as long as someone is honest - to themselves and to the wider community here - one's relationship status shouldn't matter. I don't really care about online v. real life... it's not an applicable argument to me... I was only trying to state the fact that they are two different types of relationships with different types of experiences... I think most people probably yearn for a real life relationship... perhaps that is why some people who are in a real life relationship tend to look down on those who find themselves only in on-line relationships?? The comments, above, about not being fake/a poser ring true with me. I hate to think people come here for "shits and giggles"... and just post randomly, whatever strikes their fancy (although, I think the TSR community is pretty good at sniffing the "fakers" out, lol)... but what is nice is real people posting real thoughts and real opinions... whether those come from on-line experience or life away from the computer... whatever. Just so long as someone doesn't try and pass-off their experience for something other than what it is... Personally, I like to try and get to "know" the person behind the words... I like to know where they're drawing their opinions/experience from... but maybe that's just me. By all means... continue to post! You should never feel as if you're not welcome... just make sure if you're starting threads to put them in the appropriate place... a lot of people here get pretty cranky if they're in the wrong spot M. Rebekah I don't think the problem is that 689-247-922 is worried about where she should place a thread I think she feels alienated by the views of certain people. 1 Feb 12, 11:15 PM Mistress_Rebekah CA, 10 mths Y! Glinda wrote: Mistress_Rebekah wrote: 689-247-922 wrote: i'd like to try and clarify something if i may please - after this thread, i don't feel able to post on other threads anymore. i feel like i don't have the right to have a voice here now. i wanted to post on @Mistress_Rebekah's "Love: Enhancer or...?" thread but i find i can't. Not only am i OL but that thread was on the M/s D/s O&P board, where anything OL is off-limits: does that mean posting something to it is also off-limits if the experience is based in OL? Whenever i have posted in the past i have always tried to remember to mention that i am not 24:7, that i am almost OL. I do this so that other folks can read what i have to say and know that my experiences are very different from others - not lesser, but very, very different. Now it feels like i just shouldn't say anything at all. A final question, what defines OL? Never met your D/O/M? What if you've only met once, twice? Still OL or is that now RL? Me, i've met Sir three times in nearly three years - do i get the RL badge? Or the OL branding? i have no idea what the point of this post is - i hope somebody will be able to see through the waffle and the hurt, and explain to me what's gone on here? Thank you for your time, jx Personally, I would like it if you commented on the aforementioned thread (or any other thread, for that matter). I think that as long as someone is honest - to themselves and to the wider community here - one's relationship status shouldn't matter. I don't really care about online v. real life... it's not an applicable argument to me... I was only trying to state the fact that they are two different types of relationships with different types of experiences... I think most people probably yearn for a real life relationship... perhaps that is why some people who are in a real life relationship tend to look down on those who find themselves only in on-line relationships?? The comments, above, about not being fake/a poser ring true with me. I hate to think people come here for "shits and giggles"... and just post randomly, whatever strikes their fancy (although, I think the TSR community is pretty good at sniffing the "fakers" out, lol)... but what is nice is real people posting real thoughts and real opinions... whether those come from on-line experience or life away from the computer... whatever. Just so long as someone doesn't try and pass-off their experience for something other than what it is... Personally, I like to try and get to "know" the person behind the words... I like to know where they're drawing their opinions/experience from... but maybe that's just me. By all means... continue to post! You should never feel as if you're not welcome... just make sure if you're starting threads to put them in the appropriate place... a lot of people here get pretty cranky if they're in the wrong spot M. Rebekah I don't think the problem is that 689-247-922 is worried about where she should place a thread I think she feels alienated by the views of certain people. My last point was in a jovial manner... had I intended to be nasty or otherwise, it would have been extremely clear, but that isn't my style. And... the creator of this forum is the one who has decided that certain forums are for certain topics, OL relationships being one of the excluded topics on one of the forums... We, as users of this forum, either need to like it, lump it, ignore it and suffer the consequences or find another forum I guess... I don't think anyone set out on this thread to downright insult or degrade those who engage in on-line relationships... I think many were merely pointing out that there's a difference (not as if this needed to be pointed out, but it was nonetheless)... I would be insulted if someone told me my lifestyle was "wrong"... (but I would probably choose to ignore whoever told me that) so I can understand someone feeling alienated in this instance, but that certainly wasn't my intention... hence why I told 922 that I would love to know her opinions on thread on which she wished to post... or any other thread, for that matter. Just one small opinion in a big sea I guess. M. Rebekah 2 Feb 12, 9:22 PM SL_precious CA, 3 yrs Pet_Girl wrote: I would like to think that the majority of people's issues with OL is the people who go around acting like they're real time. By that I mean they have never had a flogger to their back and yet they tell people they can take 1000 lashings with a flogger, or the people who say they've just been beaten and they've never had a hand laid on them, the ones who talk about the emotion of having a Master's hand around your throat but who have never had that. In my opinion, people who are live in slaves and try to find people who they can talk with about that have found too many people who have been posers. There is a cynicism that comes with dealing with too many fakers. Let's be honest, a healthy dose of cynicism keeps you safe. I would like to think that the posers are in the minority, but who actually knows. Perhaps it's that the posers are more vocal because they are so desperate to prove themselves real. I do believe that online slavery and relationships are real. They are different than live-in or live-near ones, but they are real. The emotions are there, but they can be different ones. I'm not saying that you can't love someone you only talk to online, but there is a tangible aspect that isn't there, there's no point in arguing that. My relationship is currently, technically online, my boyfriend had to leave for business overseas and has been gone for 3 months and will be gone for about one more. It kills me, but it's technically online, because we don't have that tangible aspect. That doesn't mean that when he goes to bed 7 hours before I do that I stop thinking of him, worrying about him, or hoping that he sees me in his dreams. It's not out of sight out of mind. Sure, some people are like that, but not all of them. If your Master is out of sight out of mind, then yeah, I agree, your online slavery isn't real, BUT if He isn't, then it's real whether it's real time or not. If a person has the mental aspect of a slave and follows the rules set forth by their Master then they are a slave whether or not they have the luxury of living with or near their Master. The online slavery put forth by the posers is not online slavery, but the online slavery put forth by the ones with the mentality and determination of a slave without the luxury of living with their Master is slavery. Different slavery, but slavery nonetheless. If you have that and enough grasp on reality to know that when He's not there he can't tap you on the shoulder or beat your ass Himself, then in my opinion it is OUR problem if we can't accept your experiences and emotions. Pet I agree with everything you have said here...thank you for expressing it so well. @689-247-922 , I have a great deal of respect for your opinions and do hope that you continue posting on all of the threads no matter which board they happen to be on. I have never had an issue with anyone sharing their experiences as long as the poster is honest with us and themselves about the nature of those experiences, which you have always been. The problem is when fantasy is presented as reality as @Pet_Girl explained, that is what makes people upset. Best Regards, precious "Amazing what happens when we let go, surrender all and embrace the painful changes that are necessary to bring wholeness, and a brighter tomorrow." Suzanne Sondberg Next page