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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Owned - mind, body," 1 2 Owned - mind, body, (17) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Tue 10 Jan 12, 9:48 AM tigerlili 3 yrs heart and soul. I often see this phrase written on people's profiles, (here and elsewhere) I assume as a way of describing the extent and depth to which their Master [substitute whatever title you like here] owns them. I'll be up front in regard to my prejudice about the use of this phrase: Firstly, I'm a little cynical about its use, mainly because it seems to be an online-ism, being used by a myriad of online s-types, it seems to be especially prevalent in Second Life for example. Secondly, it seems like a bit of a competitive statement, as in “My Master owns me sooooo completely”, and often after only a relatively short time (“collared on the 2nd of January 2012, owned mind, body, heart and soul” etc) and thirdly, I wonder if the people who state that they are owned in this way have actually really considered what it means to be owned in the manner they describe, or if it's just something they've seen written, liked, and therefore copied it for their own use. I notice a lot of 'arguments' on TSR, particularly in regard to things like a slave's ability to leave a relationship, limits, consensual non-consent, and a whole range of other things, and it always irks me that people argue that something doesn't exist just because they haven't seen, felt or experienced it. In the spirit of not being one of 'those' types, I'd really like to explore the concept of being owned in this way and what it means to the people who describe their enslavement in this manner. For me, I am owned in a practical sense; it's the reality of my everyday life, so I get the body part. My Master can do whatever he wants to my body, whenever and however, and as we have a relationship of consensual non-consent and no limits, so it's really a non-issue for us (which we're not here to discuss the definitions of, let's leave that for another ad nauseum discussion on those topics please )and I get the heart part too. I love my Master, I haven't ever been happier or more in love (or in awe) than I am with this man. But (and here's the but!) I believe my mind, and therefore my thoughts and feelings still belong to me. Perhaps my mind is partially owned, I know that the longer I am owned the more my thoughts and behaviours are focused on how my Master likes things done, and I'm constantly focused on pleasing him, and I certainly know my thoughts and feelings aren't private, I can't think of anything I don't share with him in terms of the important stuff, but nevertheless, they're still mine, he hasn't enslaved me or brainwashed me so deeply (yet) that I can't have independent thoughts and feelings of my own (and quite frankly, he probably doesn't want to anyway). As for my soul, I'm not even sure what that is; I certainly believe that there is more to life that what we can see, touch and feel, but how can something so intangible, something with such a myriad of definitions, be owned, and how can we be sure our definition of 'soul' even matches that of the person we declare owns it? Having said that, I do however see myself as being internally enslaved, so why not owned "mind, body, heart and soul"? I'm not sure, but hopefully you can enlighten me. For those of you who consider yourself owned in this way, what are its practical applications? How does it look, how does it feel, how does it manifest itself in your everyday life? How can you be sure that your owned-ness or enslavement has gotten to the core of your being, your mind and especially your soul as it were (and please, no “I can just feel it” because there must be more to it than that). Did you sit down and discuss what your individual definitions of 'soul' were before you entered into your relationship? Does your owner have a set of objectives to help you achieve this level of enslavement? Do you use this phrase interchangeably with the term 'Internal Enslavement', or is it a separate concept entirely? Do you see overlap with the concept of IE, and if so, why don't you use both on your profiles as a way of describing your relationship? *M-types, please feel free to answer from the perspective of owning someone in this manner, especially if you use this phrase to describe your level of ownership* I'm genuinely interested in people's ideas, I really do look forward to reading people's thoughts and feelings about being owned (or owning) in this way so I hope you will share with me what the use of this phrase means to you as it applies to slavery and to your relationship, if in fact it does mean anything at all. Thanking you kindly! Edited Tue 10 Jan 12, 9:55 AM by tigerlili 10 Jan 12, 10:22 AM isolai AU, 16 mths tigerlili wrote: Owned - mind, body, heart and soul. I often see this phrase written on people's profiles, (here and elsewhere) I assume as a way of describing the extent and depth to which their Master [substitute whatever title you like here] owns them. I'll be up front in regard to my prejudice about the use of this phrase: Firstly, I'm a little cynical about its use, mainly because it seems to be an online-ism, being used by a myriad of online s-types, it seems to be especially prevalent in Second Life for example. Secondly, it seems like a bit of a competitive statement, as in “My Master owns me sooooo completely”, and often after only a relatively short time (“collared on the 2nd of January 2012, owned mind, body, heart and soul” etc) and thirdly, I wonder if the people who state that they are owned in this way have actually really considered what it means to be owned in the manner they describe, or if it's just something they've seen written, liked, and therefore copied it for their own use. I notice a lot of 'arguments' on TSR, particularly in regard to things like a slave's ability to leave a relationship, limits, consensual non-consent, and a whole range of other things, and it always irks me that people argue that something doesn't exist just because they haven't seen, felt or experienced it. In the spirit of not being one of 'those' types, I'd really like to explore the concept of being owned in this way and what it means to the people who describe their enslavement in this manner. For me, I am owned in a practical sense; it's the reality of my everyday life, so I get the body part. My Master can do whatever he wants to my body, whenever and however, and as we have a relationship of consensual non-consent and no limits, so it's really a non-issue for us (which we're not here to discuss the definitions of, let's leave that for another ad nauseum discussion on those topics please )and I get the heart part too. I love my Master, I haven't ever been happier or more in love (or in awe) than I am with this man. But (and here's the but!) I believe my mind, and therefore my thoughts and feelings still belong to me. Perhaps my mind is partially owned, I know that the longer I am owned the more my thoughts and behaviours are focused on how my Master likes things done, and I'm constantly focused on pleasing him, and I certainly know my thoughts and feelings aren't private, I can't think of anything I don't share with him in terms of the important stuff, but nevertheless, they're still mine, he hasn't enslaved me or brainwashed me so deeply (yet) that I can't have independent thoughts and feelings of my own (and quite frankly, he probably doesn't want to anyway). As for my soul, I'm not even sure what that is; I certainly believe that there is more to life that what we can see, touch and feel, but how can something so intangible, something with such a myriad of definitions, be owned, and how can we be sure our definition of 'soul' even matches that of the person we declare owns it? Having said that, I do however see myself as being internally enslaved, so why not owned "mind, body, heart and soul"? I'm not sure, but hopefully you can enlighten me. For those of you who consider yourself owned in this way, what are its practical applications? How does it look, how does it feel, how does it manifest itself in your everyday life? How can you be sure that your owned-ness or enslavement has gotten to the core of your being, your mind and especially your soul as it were (and please, no “I can just feel it” because there must be more to it than that). Did you sit down and discuss what your individual definitions of 'soul' were before you entered into your relationship? Does your owner have a set of objectives to help you achieve this level of enslavement? Do you use this phrase interchangeably with the term 'Internal Enslavement', or is it a separate concept entirely? Do you see overlap with the concept of IE, and if so, why don't you use both on your profiles as a way of describing your relationship? *M-types, please feel free to answer from the perspective of owning someone in this manner, especially if you use this phrase to describe your level of ownership* I'm genuinely interested in people's ideas, I really do look forward to reading people's thoughts and feelings about being owned (or owning) in this way so I hope you will share with me what the use of this phrase means to you as it applies to slavery and to your relationship, if in fact it does mean anything at all. Thanking you kindly! I personally find the phrase overly romantic, so i wont be caught using it. However, the sentiment? Can be rather pertinent. The practical applications? Yes, its very similar to being brainwashed. I stopped thinking my *own* thoughts, and started thinking in line with what my Master thought, to such a point that my *own* thoughts, were i to have them, felt entirely unnatural. It's taken years for me to adjust past that, and i'm still only half way through the process. Even now, unowned for ages, i still think some of His thoughts :P Brain-washing has negative connotations, but it is singularly apt. I'm not going to touch on the soul bit, other than to say, i believe the soul is the core part of a person, their identity, made up of and shaped by a persons emotions and thoughts, those being very different things. Especially for a girl of my condition. So i can see how someone could own another's soul. I myself have a disdain for onlineisms, so i understand where you are coming from with that. 10 Jan 12, 2:11 PM slave_emma US(OK), 6 yrs Y! I assumed it to be romantic sediment. When I was in high school, people used that sediment to express how committed they were to each other. The word “owned” wasn't used but rather the word “have”. Then when the couple broke up it would be stated that the other person broke their heart, mind, body, and soul. (Break ups in high school were always quite dramatic.) When someone said someone owned their heart, I assumed that to mean they had all of their love and/or could control who they love. I think there are different types of love. For instance, we may love our family members and pets, but we love those people and animals differently than we love our life partner. The love the person carries for their life partner is what I think they are talking when they state someone owns their heart. When someone said someone owned their mind, I assumed that to mean the couple was in tune with one another and the other partner could sway the opinion of their partner. I can certainly form my own opinion on a variety of different subjects, but my Master can sway my opinion to his way of thinking, not the other way around. We are also very in tune with what each other is thinking. We have been together long enough to just be able to look at each other and have a pretty good idea what the other one is thinking. On the flip side, my twin and I are also very in tune with each other so I don't think being in tune with someone is exclusive to a relationship. It can also be anyone someone is very close with. When someone said someone owed their body, I assumed it to mean just that ownership of the physical body. For this to be the case, I would assume the couple would have to be in close proximity to each other and probably live together. I think this meant to show the level of trust and commitment between the couple. That one partner can give their body to the other without fear of being destroyed. When someone said someone owned their soul, I assumed that to mean for all eternity. To me, it meant they were going to be together now and in whatever afterlife they believe in. I suppose it is sort of like saying they are soul mates. For religious reasons, my Master doesn't view himself to own my soul. Best wishes, slave emma Master Howard's little girl 10 Jan 12, 4:06 PM Prolixitys_Saphira US, 16 mths I've always viewed it as some silly, little romantic phrase and nothing more. It's my belief people use it just to show they believe they are completely and truly owned. For me it correlates to a vanilla person saying that a mate "is everything to me" to mean they are truly in love with that person. Really? You have nobody else in your life that is important to you? Not even your children? I'm owned. I don't need to discuss the semantics of it or whether I am owned more completely than some other slave out there who says s/he is owned "heart, body and soul," or whatever. My dynamic has had some ups and downs, it's been a long relationship and we were a long distance relationship for almost four years. How "completely" owned I felt changed with the distance, but now that I'm living closer I still don't think I'd say he owns me "heart, body and soul." I'm still simply owned. I obey him and he can use me when he wishes. I feel no need to complicate it with silly little phrases. Owned, loved and protected by Prolixity. 10 Jan 12, 6:19 PM 758-296-257 US, 4 mths i agree , its not up to any of us to judge or compete in the "who is more owned" contest .it is a matter between the One we serve and ourselves . ... i understand the need to say the words,... mind body soul ..., and in purest form it is what we do ..how we live . gets tricky when its less than heart felt , and embraced , or used by the many less than genuine out there who are here for the thrill . okay okay , i like thrills as mch as the next girl. but you know what i mean ... 10 Jan 12, 6:39 PM 766-003-205 US(CA), 11 mths Y! tigerlili wrote: Owned - mind, body, heart and soul. I often see this phrase written on people's profiles, (here and elsewhere) I assume as a way of describing the extent and depth to which their Master [substitute whatever title you like here] owns them. I'll be up front in regard to my prejudice about the use of this phrase: Firstly, I'm a little cynical about its use, mainly because it seems to be an online-ism, being used by a myriad of online s-types, it seems to be especially prevalent in Second Life for example. Secondly, it seems like a bit of a competitive statement, as in “My Master owns me sooooo completely”, and often after only a relatively short time (“collared on the 2nd of January 2012, owned mind, body, heart and soul” etc) and thirdly, I wonder if the people who state that they are owned in this way have actually really considered what it means to be owned in the manner they describe, or if it's just something they've seen written, liked, and therefore copied it for their own use. I notice a lot of 'arguments' on TSR, particularly in regard to things like a slave's ability to leave a relationship, limits, consensual non-consent, and a whole range of other things, and it always irks me that people argue that something doesn't exist just because they haven't seen, felt or experienced it. In the spirit of not being one of 'those' types, I'd really like to explore the concept of being owned in this way and what it means to the people who describe their enslavement in this manner. For me, I am owned in a practical sense; it's the reality of my everyday life, so I get the body part. My Master can do whatever he wants to my body, whenever and however, and as we have a relationship of consensual non-consent and no limits, so it's really a non-issue for us (which we're not here to discuss the definitions of, let's leave that for another ad nauseum discussion on those topics please )and I get the heart part too. I love my Master, I haven't ever been happier or more in love (or in awe) than I am with this man. But (and here's the but!) I believe my mind, and therefore my thoughts and feelings still belong to me. Perhaps my mind is partially owned, I know that the longer I am owned the more my thoughts and behaviours are focused on how my Master likes things done, and I'm constantly focused on pleasing him, and I certainly know my thoughts and feelings aren't private, I can't think of anything I don't share with him in terms of the important stuff, but nevertheless, they're still mine, he hasn't enslaved me or brainwashed me so deeply (yet) that I can't have independent thoughts and feelings of my own (and quite frankly, he probably doesn't want to anyway). As for my soul, I'm not even sure what that is; I certainly believe that there is more to life that what we can see, touch and feel, but how can something so intangible, something with such a myriad of definitions, be owned, and how can we be sure our definition of 'soul' even matches that of the person we declare owns it? Having said that, I do however see myself as being internally enslaved, so why not owned "mind, body, heart and soul"? I'm not sure, but hopefully you can enlighten me. For those of you who consider yourself owned in this way, what are its practical applications? How does it look, how does it feel, how does it manifest itself in your everyday life? How can you be sure that your owned-ness or enslavement has gotten to the core of your being, your mind and especially your soul as it were (and please, no “I can just feel it” because there must be more to it than that). Did you sit down and discuss what your individual definitions of 'soul' were before you entered into your relationship? Does your owner have a set of objectives to help you achieve this level of enslavement? Do you use this phrase interchangeably with the term 'Internal Enslavement', or is it a separate concept entirely? Do you see overlap with the concept of IE, and if so, why don't you use both on your profiles as a way of describing your relationship? *M-types, please feel free to answer from the perspective of owning someone in this manner, especially if you use this phrase to describe your level of ownership* I'm genuinely interested in people's ideas, I really do look forward to reading people's thoughts and feelings about being owned (or owning) in this way so I hope you will share with me what the use of this phrase means to you as it applies to slavery and to your relationship, if in fact it does mean anything at all. Thanking you kindly! Interesting. This is especially interesting in the light that in another site- it is very easy to spot the inconsistencies of people telling others "how to do it" in one thread and totally describe THEMSELVES in opposite terms in another- Ex Telling someone to suck it up, fuck the horse you are owned, then brag elsewhere about how they do not submit to their Master unless they feel like it because THEY are slaves not submissive. They obey- unless they aren't going to.Their Master has to fight with them etc. Very strange to me. The examples abound. i was IE BEFORE we did M/s. It can happen either way-first or after. IT takes time and the cement is love. Love is the only force that prevents WANTING to leave regardless of the circumstances- though sometimes IE needs to be overridden in an abuse situation (to clarify for those that get concerned about justifying abuse) It means the slave mentally/emotionally CAN'T leave except in extreme-serious circumstances. External enslavement is physically holding a slave. Personally i like both, though external isn't practical when you have a job. Internal as the site says often happens whether or not it is intended and happens within and without the M/s relationship. For us- it was first, M/s was the next progression. Basically lets be honest about it and do it. It is sometimes referred to as "a slave to love" or like the song "My baby's got me locked up in chains." in the vanilla world. The man or woman "head over heels in love" that stays through thick and thin. Leaving isn't something that is casual to us. It isn't like "Well, if He does THAT-i'm outa here." It's more like "This is hard, but i will adjust." i know IE and my ownedness is at the core of my being because when i was repeatedly told i should leave Him, He was selfish, controlling, a kept man, i left the friend if they persisted instead. When He had concussions and got mean for 3 years- i rode it out with Him trusting He would return to His former self. He did BTW. Everyone told me to get out- no, the idea of leaving freaked me out and only if i was going to deteriorate so there were 2 messes- but that didn't happen. i spent a great deal of my life learning to be a dominant type because that is what i was brought up to respect, and be-though i am not naturally dominant. i became quite expert at it (can always pull it out of my tool box in an emergency) - but i willingly let go all the hard work at change i did, all the "status" acquired when dominating others at large, my self pride at becoming "unbeatable" in a stare down don't go there with me battle- and admit i am a submissive and THEN do it. It is at my core enough to let go of it all and be "there". i let go of rights i fought for, enjoyed and now are revocable privileges or non -existent. i ask permission for things i didn't have to even when a child sometimes, and forbidden things never forbidden before-like candy. i was taught to control "my" body and NEVER let a man just grope me with out asking. Even a husband had to ask permission, or woo me into it. That is fine for others. Now i own no body- He does. i care for it as i care for any property of His. i polish His shoes, i care for His leather jacket etc. i reside in it, but it is His to play with, please or deny, fuck, display, cover, paint, torture, not torture, dress or not dress. If He wants something a certain way- like long hair on me, i do it. He gropes, plays- when, what, how, where He wants. Period. It is His, so what have i to say about it? When i shop for us, i often come back with things i see i know He will like. When i dress- i dress to His specs. i wear perfumes He likes, cosmetic adjustments-His preferences. i still have my own thoughts i always will, but they are thoughts. i share them with Him if He wants to hear them, or a pressing need to tell Him. Otherwise, i spend time thinking and considering how i can be more submissive, how to deepen it within me, what works to make it a continuous flow. i read books that have ideas for it, some suggested here. i HAVE found with Their approval, addressing ALL Masters as Sir, Mistresses as Ma'am or Miss or however THEY choose somehow transitions to enhancing my submission and enslavement to Him more easily. i think it has to do with having fewer mental gears to shift. Having respect in the hierarchy generally, supports the M/s at home. i think it keeps the mindset in the mindset instead of split. Edited 10 Jan 12, 6:43 PM by 766-003-205 10 Jan 12, 10:25 PM 000-772-096 US, 7 yrs I primarily echo what some of the others have said. (I'll try and reply in the order of the original post - there was a great deal of meat on that post and I'll try not to be too choppy in answering). In my opinion, the use of the phrase "24/7" to describe an adult, grown up dynamic or relationship is an online-ism far more worthy of ridicule than "heart, mind, body and soul" ever could be. Although I have never been to "Second Life," I am quite certain that the people who play games there did not invent the "heart, mind, body and soul" phrase but only rediscovered the use of it as applies to relationships and/or dynamics. I do not have understanding of why using that phrase would somehow cause any dynamic to be perceived as some how better than any other dynamic or be a competitive challenge? IMHO, I think that would be an issue the person hearing or reading it needs to deal with, not something that the person using it is actually causing. I fail to see what having independent thoughts has to do with being partially enslaved or not completely enslaved. That doesn't apply to me so I cannot understand that concept. (and if one really thinks about it - it probably does not apply to most people) Master does actually or technically own my heart, mind, body and soul - all those things became his when he acquired me so of course he owns them. I see no reason to consider myself owned in any way other than simply being owned and that manifests itself in each and every moment of my life. My apologies, I do not understand the question of being sure of "owned-ness" or reaching the core of something or some state - I am owned, so therefore I am owned. I may have missed the point there. No, Master never had a discussion with me on the meaning or definition of a soul prior to his acquisition of me. No, he never had a "game plan" for creating some form of other-defined enslavement happen. I find that is non applicable to my life. I do not now nor have I ever needed some set of objectives to be owned or to understand the concept of being owned. I have no idea about "internal enslavement" as compared to "heart, mind, body and soul." That is (to me) merely another phrase created by yet another person in yet another attempt to describe dynamics and relationships for other people to understand - it holds no real meaning for me. If it makes it easier for someone else to understand things, then by all means they should conceptualize it that way. I have no problem with what another person uses it for. I don't use either type of phrase on my profile. I see no reason to use any of the above descriptors to describe my relationship to anyone. I don't need to question it because I accept it. It is simple, there is nothing complicated about it. He is my Master. I am his slave. He owns me. My apologies again because I know you wanted more than a "because it just is" answer, but I am unable to otherwise explain it. I use the terms Master(male) & slave(female) because that is who we are. Insert all possible disclaimers - my thoughts, my opinions, my experiences, my words. Your mileage should vary. I'm one of "those people." Above all - I believe in Master. I find it's hard to stumble when you are on your knees. 11 Jan 12, 2:17 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs Great thread!! The OP has done a wonderful thread that is very well written. I too have to agree with what others have said and am very interested in any replies from those who are so completely owned. Just want to add, it's great to say "I can just feel it" but, feel what? No one but the person experiencing a feeling can actually feel it, whether that includes excitment, butterflies, sadness, pain etc, similar to random thoughts that float through our minds, so wouldn't those "feelings" be a part Not owned? Unless one is a clone, I would suspect that it may be difficult to pove otherwise. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 11 Jan 12, 5:35 AM Tsubaki_Urmira US(PA), 9 mths Y! Very good topic. I have been personally critical of others that use this so loosely.. more so in Second Life. Granted these feelings of ownership on these 4 levels can get nurtured in SL and I seen all 4 of them at varying degrees. But.. I do see people that do attach to this word and not understand it. I reserve my judgement and keep it to myself. What I try and do is help guide others on a path that shows them what it can mean over time. The depths of ownership on many different levels. And how to blend a little real lift and Second life and get a more intensified effect. I also realize my way isn't the golden way of things. Its just view on D/s. If they reject my teachings, I let them and respect them and their ways. 12 Jan 12, 8:33 AM 491-315-154 US(CA), 2 yrs I also do not mean to offend anyone, but I find that comments such as "body, mind and soul", usually is a fancy wording to mean anything a person interprets. I can state that in my experience, these are by people who have not reached the true depth of ownership. I am not implying this for everyone, but it is to hearts and flowers for me. 13 Jan 12, 3:45 PM AmberStClare UK, 4 mths Isn't God really the only one who can own your soul? Or maybe the devil if you believe in him. Next page