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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Rape in a M/S relationship?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Rape in a M/S relationship? (63) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 6 Jan 12, 6:29 AM 766-003-205 US(CA), 11 mths Y! One thing that occurred to me after posting was that self control is a serious attribute a dominant must have to be respected. A Dominant unable to control themselves so much they resort to rape is not what i would think of as actual dominance, just a child with strong muscles. i would never submit to a child. This means NOT taking what is theirs at times when it is clear it could have a deleterious effect on anyone else or a/the relationship. They can assess a situation and adjust accordingly without need to temper tantrum. Again, tantrums are no adult behaviors. Adults have them, but they are not emotionally or mentally adults when they do. Accepting less in a "Dominant" to me, is a slap in the face of all the REAL Dominants who ARE capable of self control and restraint. They work hard to be worthy as Dominants in charge of another person and they deserve to be in a class above childish behaviored others. Now- i am NOT talking about rape-play and kink oriented CNC rape. That is entirely different thing. 6 Jan 12, 7:29 AM Prolixitys_Saphira US, 16 mths I was raped for real when I was 18. Not an experience I wish to relive. For this reason, my owner would never force himself on me. And even if I'm not in the mood, he knows what buttons to push to get me in the mood. Owned, loved and protected by Prolixity. 6 Jan 12, 7:52 AM lil_one_anjuli 20 mths Well....rape....i consent...so...in truth there is no rape. I was also raped in the past and nope not a funny thing. There is roleplay of rape inside my dynamic. If i am sick, injured this does not stop me to be available for Master, even if i doesnt want it or i am not enjoying it. And if i am not enjoying what is my point? I am at Master's service not otherwise. And actually inside a M/s dynamic what is really rape? In vanilla couples there is also rape...where wife says no hubby does it anyways after some insistence although there is no violence. In M/s relationship...the rape can go a bit further, involving many scenaries such as knife play, bondage, humiliation and so on and degradation. Since i am property and there is total power exchange and so i have consented everything He says/does, logically i will never deny my body even if i am not turn on to sex. So is my Master raping me??? hardly so. In my case it is even more easier to imitate the rape scenary bcs sex is painful. It also depends on what kind of dynamic it is: Are there limits? Is rape part of her hard limits? Mind that...some are softcore regarding the concept of property and slave and others are hardcore regarding to what is property. In sex aspects my dynamic is quite hardcore...but in other areas such as physical tasks my Master is very soft and avoids me to make heavy tasks such as moving a bed!...guess what! So in my dynamic the concept of me being horse pulling His car, or harvest the vegetables does not even cross my Master's mind. My blog: http://www.anaferreira-pianist.com/blog.html Edited 6 Jan 12, 7:53 AM by lil_one_anjuli 6 Jan 12, 9:07 AM ushaben UK, 2 yrs Respectfully, i would agree with Dagobert, Hawklord and SL Precious, that rape in a O/P relationship, by definition, cannot exist, for the reasons given. i cannot imagine, other than for reasons of serious physical incapacity, that i even think of refusing an opportunity to please my Owner in whatever way He wished. For me, this would negating my submission to Him, thus exerting some measure of control over Him, which, to me, is just unthinkable. In practise, i cannot think that this sort of situation would arise, since my Owner is always sensitive to my needs, physical or otherwise; although, of course, not my wants. Edited 6 Jan 12, 9:08 AM by ushaben 6 Jan 12, 9:07 AM Hawklord UK, 6 yrs naughtyslave wrote: wouldnt refuse unless i had to,and used me anyway...i would be doing some serious thinking about O/our relationship and most likely moving on. hawklord wrote: While it might be abuse from an irresponsible Master, moving on is not an option if you are owned property. naughtyslave wrote: Again Sir..it is a matter of choice...i do believe W/we have been through this before..... We have indeed. naughtyslave wrote: in real life there is always a choice whether to stay or not to stay. But our difference is more of a matter of terminology. In law the slave can walk out any time. But she is supposed to be chained internally. If she can walk out then the chains were weak and only the Master can take the blame for that. In effect she "escapes". She is not free to leave but like the dog jumping the fence she's gone and it's the Masters fault for not making sure she is happy where she is. On the other hand, unlike a pet you have given your Master total unlimited rights over your being. Hopefully you made an informed choice (informed consent). Do you have the right to withdraw that even if you find you made the wrong decision? Do you have the right to take back the gift that you gave him. If he as an imperfect Master (aren't we all) he may make a serious mistake or he may even continually abuse his slaves. Where is the line drawn? Who makes the judgment? I suppose there is a case for "slave arbitration" lol! naughtyslave wrote: This to me is what my Master refers to as dominating with common sense and this is why i wear His collar..because reality and common sense out weigh fantasy. I actually agree with him. Don't assume from my discussions of the various aspects of this lifestyle that I am any different, I just like to explore all the nuances. Sic volo. sic jubeo. stat pro ratione voluntas 6 Jan 12, 9:17 AM Hawklord UK, 6 yrs That is true. Actually I take back what I said to some extent - if my slave was unwilling to be used (yet had no illness or good reason) then I would take that as a refusal to please her Master. I would not, as I indicated, take her by force but I would instead address the issue of refusal, either with punishment or talking or both. To be honest I don't think I would even be able to do forced sex - there would be no pleasure in it for me. But I still assert that the slave has no right to refuse. Complicated! ushaben wrote: Respectfully, i would agree with Dagobert, Hawklord and SL Precious, that rape in a O/P relationship, by definition, cannot exist, for the reasons given. i cannot imagine, other than for reasons of serious physical incapacity, that i even think of refusing an opportunity to please my Owner in whatever way He wished. For me, this would negating my submission to Him, thus exerting some measure of control over Him, which, to me, is just unthinkable. In practise, i cannot think that this sort of situation would arise, since my Owner is always sensitive to my needs, physical or otherwise; although, of course, not my wants. Sic volo. sic jubeo. stat pro ratione voluntas 6 Jan 12, 9:17 AM ushaben UK, 2 yrs i agree with you, Hawklord. i consider myself my Owner's property, which gives Him absolute dominion over me; it is not for me to attempt to evaluate His decisions as 'good' or 'bad', these are expressions of His will, which, it is my instinct and pleasure to obey. Edited 6 Jan 12, 9:20 AM by ushaben 6 Jan 12, 5:35 PM 290-491-264 US(SC), 7 mths SL_precious wrote: Sir_Don wrote: If my slave was sick, or physically unavailable, there would be no question, I would not use it. Health and safety before anything else. But still, as naughtyslave pointed out, demanding sex from a unwilling slave could be considered very selfish and disrespectfull, while still being the "correct" thing to do in a relationship where one partner is property. I think the judgement on wether one would do it is based largely on how stern the dominant partner in the relationship is at just that moment. I find myself unsure in the matter, sometimes seeing it as the right thing to do, using my right as its Master, and sometimes as the wrong thing, abusing my responsibility to take care of it. To be honest, the first thing I thought when reading the OP was why on earth would a slave be unwilling? I mean outside of the obvious illness issue, why? I just can't wrap my head around that. Sure there are times I might not feel like it but unwilling, never. If Master feels the need or want to use me that way, I fully expect him to do so. In fact it would upset me to know that he didn't because of my lack of desire. Perhaps I feel this way because I am a huge slut for him and see any opportunity to have his cock inside me as a pleasure SL_precious Same here "Rape" (unless we ever decide to do some kind of scene involving it) is a complete moot point in my relationship. Even when I'm sick I want the dick! 6 Jan 12, 6:25 PM 911-612-214 US(CA), 4 mths Y! I would say its the slaves duty to serve his master if my master wanted sex from me I would service him no questions asked. 6 Jan 12, 7:26 PM 689-247-922 UK, 17 mths In my dynamic (which is LD and therefore perhaps not relevant to this discussion) there could never be rape - if He were to want me, any time, any place, any where, i could not ever deny Him. i would be so thrilled and happy to be used, and of use, by, and to, Him... He owns me, therefore He can use me as He wishes - even if that means He does not wish to... jx Next page