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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Rape in a M/S relationship?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Rape in a M/S relationship? (63) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 5 Jan 12, 11:04 PM mastersgirl3 US, 5 mths naughtyslave wrote: In order for me to refuse his use of me,there would be a pretty serious reason..being ill beyond being able to handle it..if He decided that this didnt matter, knowing i wouldnt refuse unless i had to,and used me anyway...i would be doing some serious thinking about O/our relationship and most likely moving on. Interesting question... i Fully agree with you. i do not refuse, but if i did it would be serious and not because i just don't feel like this. i can not see my Master ever forcing me in a way that it would be considered rape. I would also reconsider the entire situation if it were to happen. 5 Jan 12, 11:09 PM mastersgirl3 US, 5 mths naughtyslave wrote: Hawklord wrote: Sir_Don wrote: Rape in a M/S relationship? On one side, a slave gives its body and soul to its Master to take care of, giving him/her the responsibility to take care of it and make sure it is feeling well. But on the other, it is a slaves duty to serve its Master in every way possible, giving him/her its body if he/she desires it. It's an interesting question, because to some extent it's debatable whether it can be called rape. If the slave says no, then I suppose it is rape, but I have the right to use my slave at any time, a right given to me by her. No is not an answer I could accept. The slave would still be used and punished also. But if the slave were ill then I would surely waive my rights as a responsible owner. naughtyslave wrote: wouldnt refuse unless i had to,and used me anyway...i would be doing some serious thinking about O/our relationship and most likely moving on. While it might be abuse from an irresponsible Master, moving on is not an option if you are owned property. Again Sir..it is a matter of choice...i do believe W/we have been through this before.....in real life there is always a choice whether to stay or not to stay. i for one am a grown adult and if i were to judge a Master so poorly that He would consider using me when i couldnt handle it...then yes..even owned...i would have the right to ask for release and move on. This is the reality in 'my" world...maybe not in Your's,Sir,but an absolute in mine. Otherwise a Master could beat me to near death and i would have no choice but to stay? i think not...everyday i am there i made a choice to be there..every single day. Every command i follow i have made a choice to do so..one might not be aware of said choice but make no mistake there has been a choice to follow...but that is another subject. This to me is what my Master refers to as dominating with common sense and this is why i wear His collar..because reality and common sense out weigh fantasy. Of course this is only my opinion and how i live my life..to each their own wow, strong subject. i agree with naughty. i chose to become a slave. i allowed myself to be owned. If it were no longer a safe environment i would have to leave. in my world slavery is a choice and being a Master is a form of a privilege. Yes, i take orders and am here to please my Master, but i trust in my Master to take care of me as he would his most prized possession. Again i agree in the statement made about having a good reason. To date i have never said no, i don't look at it as an option, but if i were sick or hurt then i feel i am able to say the word and have it respected. *edited because i didn't read enough before i replied. Edited 5 Jan 12, 11:13 PM by mastersgirl3 5 Jan 12, 11:13 PM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs mastersgirl3 wrote: naughtyslave wrote: Hawklord wrote: Sir_Don wrote: Rape in a M/S relationship? On one side, a slave gives its body and soul to its Master to take care of, giving him/her the responsibility to take care of it and make sure it is feeling well. But on the other, it is a slaves duty to serve its Master in every way possible, giving him/her its body if he/she desires it. It's an interesting question, because to some extent it's debatable whether it can be called rape. If the slave says no, then I suppose it is rape, but I have the right to use my slave at any time, a right given to me by her. No is not an answer I could accept. The slave would still be used and punished also. But if the slave were ill then I would surely waive my rights as a responsible owner. naughtyslave wrote: wouldnt refuse unless i had to,and used me anyway...i would be doing some serious thinking about O/our relationship and most likely moving on. While it might be abuse from an irresponsible Master, moving on is not an option if you are owned property. Again Sir..it is a matter of choice...i do believe W/we have been through this before.....in real life there is always a choice whether to stay or not to stay. i for one am a grown adult and if i were to judge a Master so poorly that He would consider using me when i couldnt handle it...then yes..even owned...i would have the right to ask for release and move on. This is the reality in 'my" world...maybe not in Your's,Sir,but an absolute in mine. Otherwise a Master could beat me to near death and i would have no choice but to stay? i think not...everyday i am there i made a choice to be there..every single day. Every command i follow i have made a choice to do so..one might not be aware of said choice but make no mistake there has been a choice to follow...but that is another subject. This to me is what my Master refers to as dominating with common sense and this is why i wear His collar..because reality and common sense out weigh fantasy. Of course this is only my opinion and how i live my life..to each their own wow, strong subject. i agree with naughty. i chose to become a slave. i allowed myself to be owned. If it were no longer a safe environment i would have to leave. in my world slavery is a choice and being a Master is a form of a privilege. Yes, i take orders and am here to please my Master, but i trust in my Master to take care of me as he would his most prized possession. There is a saying that Master Michael always said..being a slave is not a choice (its who we are) being owned is Take care, His naughtyslave 5 Jan 12, 11:44 PM mindControl_Master US(NY), 6 mths Y! While an M/s relationship dictates that the slave has to do Whatever her Master wants, including sex at any given time, I myself wouldn't demand it if she were incapacitated in any way. As in illness, or broken limbs, cracked ribcage, exit wounds, shark-bite, alien probing etc.... In the Shadows of the Darkest Places in your Mind 6 Jan 12, 12:42 AM slave_emma US(OK), 6 yrs Y! If a slave is unwilling to do something, because they don't feel like it, they aren't in the mood, need a breather, or whatever. Then that is something that needs to be addressed between the couple. I think the other partner forcing themselves on an unwilling partner is not the correct course of action. To me, that would cause more long-term issues than taking a few minutes to find out why the slave is unwilling and going from there. I think this falls under the category of just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. My Master doesn't like to take undo advantage of me. One example that comes to mind is I have been sick lately and I have some pretty bizarre symptoms. Before we knew it was low blood sugar, I suggested to my Master that he have sex with me when I am in that state because the concept of being taken wherever sounds hot to me. He refused, because in his mind that wouldn't be respecting me. He believes there is a difference between something sounding sexually appealing and actually being sexually appealing. Best wishes, slave emma edited for a typo. Master Howard's little girl Edited 6 Jan 12, 3:44 AM by slave_emma 6 Jan 12, 1:05 AM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs Interesting topic, it has also been covered here quite thoroughly as well. I think how rape is "defined" will be something that is individual to each couple given that each dynamic will deal with the notions of consent, boundaries and limits differently. In my relationship, rape does not exist. I would never deny my Master and he knows my limits that he would never push a sexual activity to the point that it would defined as rape. "We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us. The old skin must be shed before a new one can come." ~ Joseph Campbell 6 Jan 12, 1:50 AM crystalredroze US(OH), 4 yrs Y! From my point of view as a slave i see nothing wrong with rape play in an M/s dynamic. i would think that any Master worth His weight would take into consideration if His salve was sick, or in some state that would cause harm to the slave but at the same time once a slave gives themselves to a Master than the final decision isnt theirs but the Masters. Now, if it were to happen to me and i wasnt willing to serve my Master in whatever way he chooses at the time i would expect punishment at the least and would expect for Master to act on what He wants and not always take what i think into consideration. its much like other things. i mean, i dont like laundry but i do it, its very much the same thing in my mind. 6 Jan 12, 2:59 AM orionsheart 4 mths Tough question, since this should not really be discussed as a legal issue so much as a moral and ethical one. While legal rights do apply to all and across all circumstances in our constitutional framework, the moral and ethical boundaries are much more diffuse. I have been in master/slave and dom/sub relationships for many years(though currently unattached) but this issue never came up.Just because a person has the right and power to have their selfish needs taken care of, does not mean that they should, especially if there are extenuating circumstances or other considerations. In the finall assessment, we are first and foremost sentient and cerebral intellectual beings, and not just angry rutting beasts, even though there are some here that would no doubt challenge that perspective. 6 Jan 12, 3:09 AM 766-003-205 US(CA), 11 mths Y! Sir_Don wrote: Rape in a M/S relationship? Good day! My slave and I have been thinking about the act of rape in our relationship, and what role, if any, it should have in a M/S household. On one side, a slave gives its body and soul to its Master to take care of, giving him/her the responsibility to take care of it and make sure it is feeling well. But on the other, it is a slaves duty to serve its Master in every way possible, giving him/her its body if he/she desires it. I would appreciate responses from people with their own thoughts on the subject. From Masters, I would like to hear what their thought is about having sexual intercourse with their slaves when they are not willing to do so, and possibly hear about such experiences. From slaves, I would want to hear what you would think if your Master did this to you, both what you would think during, and after. Would you think less of him for abusing his responsibility to take care of you, or think higher of him for upholding his right to use your bodies? With greetings, Sir Don. Before M/s i used to feel obligated at times and i would be annoyed before, and during it, i would be thinking of anything BUT sex, except perhaps how the divorce was going to go and how i was going to get the money to pay a lawyer, after i didn't even want to kiss Him casually. In fact i didn't even want to look at His sorry ass. Often sex WAS a part of pacifying His bipolar breaks. Not good. Almost destroyed sex and out relationship. i think if i had sex during a bipolar break now-it would be the same, the end product of harassment and desire to pacify which would wear thin. Would eat it's way through the relationship. Well, saying NO is always nonconsent. It is psychologically destructive, disrespectful of a living being to FORCE sex if there is a problem going on- i mean a seriously disturbing problem and most partners don't find irritable sex particularly enjoyable or desirable, or tolerable over time. Even if there is a kink for orgasm denial etc being irritable and depressed, glum doesn't really work as the kink-it's not the same thing. It would ultimately destroy the relationship if repeated too much. i think most if not all of us wasn't "in the mood" and did it sometimes and that is no problem to me in M/s, but if i were angry at Him, sad, or agitated it would be considered as poor property care for mental health, and living being care is a part taking good care of property. BUT-i am sex slave 100% and only twice did i scowl (this was during the one time i am ordered to overide Him, if He has a bipolar break and gets verbally abusive) His meds have been great so no problems at all for a LONG time- and He recognizes it was not a good time. All other times there no denial, delay or excuses. 7am, 10am 2pm,5pm,12am, 2am. He usually doesn't require or even approach me on a work night (i drive a lot too so sleep is essential for safety) although i have even encouraged Him so He is clear it is HIS choice, but as His slave i don't feel i am living up to it if i refuse in any but the ordered circumstance. It doesn't make me feel bad at all. i think happy thoughts and am excited about it as in enhances my sense of enslavement. Edited 6 Jan 12, 3:10 AM by 766-003-205 6 Jan 12, 6:25 AM 822-492-813 US(KY), 17 mths An interesting topic Sir. An idea that has not been touched on is WHY a M. would do such a thing. Is it just to get off and show who is in charge? That seems less than optimal to me. Is it possibly to punish? Some slaves cannot tolorate serious pain for one reason or another. A M. must then look for other avenues of discipline. Perhaps forcing sex that is unwanted could be a form of punishment that is more psychological than physical. Several have commented on the ability of a slave to say no. A slave can say no if they are willing to deal with the outcome. This may include punishment or the dissolution of the relationship. The idea that an adult cannot leave a relationship is a fantasy. You may want to feel that owned, but there are laws that supercede that idea in most every country. Peace Miss Kayla's toy 822-492-813 Next page