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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Shock Collars" 1 2 Shock Collars (19) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 12 Jan 12, 2:12 PM SL_precious CA, 3 yrs Hawklord wrote: pj2216 wrote: google erostek 302r... Much more fun. I have one of those too. But it is easy for the slave to rip off in a tantrum. That is why the collar, plus the tie-wrap so she can't take it off, is the absolute total power if you intend to 'break' a slave. She has absolutely no choice but to obey. I can understand for some this would be a kink and used for that purpose but @Hawklord, personally I don't understand your thinking at all. Why would a slave need to be broken? The statement itself is contrary to everything consensual slavery is. If a slave throws tantrums and needs to be repeatedly zapped in the neck to obtain obedience, are they really meant to be a slave in the first place? What is submission really worth if it needs to be taken by force? Shouldn't a Master inspire the slave to submit freely, to be obedient simply because she is his slave. Forcing someone to do something is easy,anyone can beat or in this case zapp a slave into submission. Then the real question is, are they serving from their heart freely or just serving from fear to avoid the punishment? You might get the same result, but the difference is like planting a garden and watching it grow or picking up canned veggies at the market. "Amazing what happens when we let go, surrender all and embrace the painful changes that are necessary to bring wholeness, and a brighter tomorrow." Suzanne Sondberg 12 Jan 12, 6:26 PM 491-315-154 US(CA), 2 yrs MasterElectron wrote: 491-315-154 wrote: Is there anything for females? I am interested in electrical play, but due to seizures and a lung condition I need smaller voltage and below the waist if possible. With all due respect, with conditions such as you describe I would highly recommend you forget electrical play. Yes, I thought the same thing. I was just wondering if there was something. Thanks for your reply. 12 Jan 12, 8:15 PM ZerkeX US(IN), 2 yrs Y! I'm unsure of how much damage these things can actually do. I used to have one for my rott...and I took it off him and walked outside the perimeter, it was mildly annoying but didn't cause any actual pain. 12 Jan 12, 8:23 PM 491-315-154 US(CA), 2 yrs I think that they are designed to just give a mild pulse to the body, but with someone such as me with health problems it could be more serious. I am sort of disappointed because I am interested in TENS units and Violet Wands. 16 Jan 12, 5:21 AM 988-329-169 CA, 9 mths ZerkeX wrote: I'm unsure of how much damage these things can actually do. I used to have one for my rott...and I took it off him and walked outside the perimeter, it was mildly annoying but didn't cause any actual pain. The output of an "electronic fence" collar is dependent upon several variables: - Model (some give a stronger zap than others) - Distance from barrier (closer = bigger zap) - Battery condition Because of the increased height of your holding the collar, I suspect what you felt was the collar's "warning". (most are sensitive to how close the wearer is to the barrier) As for "how much damage these can do", if you were to wear the collar, with fresh batteries, on a "meaty" part of your leg at the height of your rottweiler's neck, trying to cross the barrier would give you an *extremely* painful leg cramp, and would have your rott dashing out to defend against what made you, its packmate, yelp in pain. The reason the batteries are so short-lived is because in order to save on weight, the collars use what amounts to watch batteries to power a circuit that wants to drain as much power as a 1960's era toy "slot car" to operate. 16 Jan 12, 7:53 AM 988-329-169 CA, 9 mths 491-315-154 wrote: I think that they are designed to just give a mild pulse to the body, but with someone such as me with health problems it could be more serious. I am sort of disappointed because I am interested in TENS units and Violet Wands. If your doctor is familiar with those devices, I suggest checking with him/her to find out for sure. While you will have to be more careful than us in their use, your medical conditions might not rule them out entirely. Many doctors know of TENS only for its original application of pain relief. If you ask straight out, it could cause them some alarm and confusion. (along lines of "Why are you in pain!?") Many though will not be familiar with a violet wand. They might however know the violet wand's little cousin, the plasma globe. As for the electronic zap devices discussed elsewhere in this thread, when not at their lowest settings, most can deliver more than a "mild pulse" - they can be *very* painful. 16 Jan 12, 11:05 PM Hawklord UK, 6 yrs SL_precious wrote: Hawklord wrote: pj2216 wrote: google erostek 302r... Much more fun. tie-wrap so she can't take it off, is the absolute total power if you intend to 'break' a slave. She has absolutely no choice but to obey. your thinking at all. Why would a slave need to be broken? The statement itself is contrary to everything consensual slavery is. If a slave throws tantrums and needs to be repeatedly zapped in the neck to obtain obedience, are they really meant to be a slave in the first place? What is submission really worth if it needs to be taken by force? Shouldn't a Master inspire the slave to submit freely, to be obedient simply because she is his slave. Forcing OK, my answer is it does depend on the slave. I rule mainly with love; my present girls don't need to be forced, though I may use spanking on rare occasions. But in the case where I did use it, many years ago, the girl (like my present girls) had consented to total ownership and control. It was therefore in our "contract" that if she should refuse my control, that I could enforce it. She refused to carry out my orders, claiming she wanted to do something else as I recall. She was bored with chores. I fitted the collar by force and started again. Within minutes she was on her knees crying and begging forgiveness. She then carried out my instructions obediently. There was no more disobedience. I will add that there was no resentment afterwards. She was glad I broke her will and I'll tell you why. All slaves need boundaries. They need to be solid boundaries, then they feel safe. Vagiaries, too much freedom, indecision or weakness on the part of the Master, lack of routine, all those can actually make a slave feel insecure and unhappy. Sometimes it is for the slave's sake to enforce those boundaries. Again there are some s-types for whom 'closing the circle with force' does not work and it's best to allow a cooling off period followed by a serious talk. As I said all slaves are different. The above may well not apply to you, or even make you cringe at the thought of it, but it was a positive experience for me and for the slave. Sic volo. sic jubeo. stat pro ratione voluntas 17 Jan 12, 1:26 PM SL_precious CA, 3 yrs Hawklord wrote: SL_precious wrote: Hawklord wrote: pj2216 wrote: google erostek 302r... Much more fun. tie-wrap so she can't take it off, is the absolute total power if you intend to 'break' a slave. She has absolutely no choice but to obey. your thinking at all. Why would a slave need to be broken? The statement itself is contrary to everything consensual slavery is. If a slave throws tantrums and needs to be repeatedly zapped in the neck to obtain obedience, are they really meant to be a slave in the first place? What is submission really worth if it needs to be taken by force? Shouldn't a Master inspire the slave to submit freely, to be obedient simply because she is his slave. Forcing OK, my answer is it does depend on the slave. I rule mainly with love; my present girls don't need to be forced, though I may use spanking on rare occasions. But in the case where I did use it, many years ago, the girl (like my present girls) had consented to total ownership and control. It was therefore in our "contract" that if she should refuse my control, that I could enforce it. She refused to carry out my orders, claiming she wanted to do something else as I recall. She was bored with chores. I fitted the collar by force and started again. Within minutes she was on her knees crying and begging forgiveness. She then carried out my instructions obediently. There was no more disobedience. I will add that there was no resentment afterwards. She was glad I broke her will and I'll tell you why. All slaves need boundaries. They need to be solid boundaries, then they feel safe. Vagiaries, too much freedom, indecision or weakness on the part of the Master, lack of routine, all those can actually make a slave feel insecure and unhappy. Sometimes it is for the slave's sake to enforce those boundaries. Again there are some s-types for whom 'closing the circle with force' does not work and it's best to allow a cooling off period followed by a serious talk. As I said all slaves are different. The above may well not apply to you, or even make you cringe at the thought of it, but it was a positive experience for me and for the slave. Thank you for they reply, I do understand better given the situation you have described. I was picturing more an "easy fix" type of thing where the collar was used as the primary tool to get what you wanted. I guess it was the use of the word 'break' that got me. To me, breaking a person means damaging their psyche to where they become an empty robotic shell. If you had said it was a punishment used only occasionally for correction, I probably would not have questioned. Best Regards, precious "Amazing what happens when we let go, surrender all and embrace the painful changes that are necessary to bring wholeness, and a brighter tomorrow." Suzanne Sondberg 17 Jan 12, 6:33 PM zeniko45 UK, 2 yrs search shock collars on youtube, and you will see volunteers trying them on themselves