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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "So Few Male Slaves" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 So Few Male Slaves (96) This topic is now full - if you want to reply, please make a new post on the board itself. This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 11 Jan 12, 2:10 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! 000-731-321 wrote: Internal Enslavement says men are not natural submissives: http://www.enslavement.org.uk/malesub That essay made a very specific point: that male submission isn't something that has been selected for by evolution. (Unlike the ability to hit animals at a distance with rocks and spears in the hope of killing and eating them, for instance.) That doesn't mean every man is good at darts or basketball. That no women are better than almost all men at throwing sports. Or that no one likes or should like sitting and reading a book even though that wasn't selected for by evolution either. :T: www.tanos.org.uk 11 Jan 12, 2:16 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! lil_one_anjuli wrote: In hetero context....i refuse to believe that male submission is genuine. I think it is just their kink and nothing more. Finally i have read somewhere that is it is usually harder to find a long lasting male slave than a long lasting female slave. This just enforces my view that male submission is just a kink and not really a 100% submission. You could use that evidence to argue that many men who are bottoms present themselves as submissives to get attention, BDSM scenes etc from dominant women. However, I don't see how you can use it to argue that male submission itself isn't genuine. Surely the smaller number of long lasting male slaves you refer to are still evidence of its existence? :T: www.tanos.org.uk 11 Jan 12, 6:42 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs 000-731-321 wrote: 333-528-841 wrote: IMO, your statement is a misconception, I believe there is much more than that. Oh, and yes, I do know male s types who are straight. It all goes back to finding the right Master/Mistress for them. Have a great evening. Just for the record, i am hetero and have never been in a gay relationship or been asked to serve a Master. i don't know how it would be to do so. For me (at this stage of my development), there has to be more than just service. i believe that there has to be a connection with the person to whom i serve. i believe that connection is easier when it aligns with my sexual orientation. i don't know anything about slave progression though. Maybe i could go further than i have gone. Maybe serving anyone or someone who is not of your orientation is possible and fulfilling. Maybe even someone who you don't connect with. Maybe the best slaves can do this. i do know that many others on this forum know a lot more about these things than i do. They spend more time exploring and experimenting. i am happy where i am and no one is pushing me to progress in this fashion. i always enjoy hearing from those experts though. i feel like they have made this into somewhat of a science. Every slaves development and progression is an individual thing, don't you think? Having a connection ties right into finding the right D/O/M for you. Someone who may be perfect for you might be a nightmare for another. While having a connection that aligns with your sexuality may be a piece of the puzzle for you, it won't necessarily be for someone else. That is one of the reasons I think the post I replied to is a misconception. I personally think, IMO that for some there is more to it and as stated, do not understand how it is progressing by evoling to "exclusively gay world". This statement characterizes all male s types and I for one do not believe it. Have a great day. Please forgive any spelling errors etc as this was sent from my phone which can play spelling tricks on me. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 12 Jan 12, 12:29 AM 000-731-321 10 yrs 333-528-841 wrote: Every slaves development and progression is an individual thing, don't you think? i think that a slave's development and progression is an individual thing but many of the programs for training slaves are not necessarily so individualistic. There are conferences, books, and forums for the Master/Mistress craft and i have seen techniques passed from one Dominant to another. At the psychological level, there is also a lot of collaboration. i don't know what is possible or not from that point of view. 333-528-841 wrote: Having a connection ties right into finding the right D/O/M for you. Someone who may be perfect for you might be a nightmare for another. While having a connection that aligns with your sexuality may be a piece of the puzzle for you, it won't necessarily be for someone else. Yes, i can only speak for myself. It would be interesting to know if that is common or not. 333-528-841 wrote: That is one of the reasons I think the post I replied to is a misconception. I personally think, IMO that for some there is more to it and as stated, do not understand how it is progressing by evoling to "exclusively gay world". This statement characterizes all male s types and I for one do not believe it. i would love to hear more as well. i am keeping an open mind on this. 333-528-841 wrote: Have a great day. Please forgive any spelling errors etc as this was sent from my phone which can play spelling tricks on me. You as well. 16 Jan 12, 5:01 PM Miss_Astere US, 2 yrs Tanos wrote: 000-731-321 wrote: Internal Enslavement says men are not natural submissives: http://www.enslavement.org.uk/malesub That essay made a very specific point: that male submission isn't something that has been selected for by evolution. (Unlike the ability to hit animals at a distance with rocks and spears in the hope of killing and eating them, for instance.) That doesn't mean every man is good at darts or basketball. That no women are better than almost all men at throwing sports. Or that no one likes or should like sitting and reading a book even though that wasn't selected for by evolution either. :T: Oh, but you can't view male submission as absolute. Maybe not submissive relative to nature but submissive relative to female species. Valid argument about the differences though. 16 Jan 12, 5:05 PM Miss_Astere US, 2 yrs lil_one_anjuli wrote: In hetero context....i refuse to believe that male submission is genuine. I think it is just their kink and nothing more. Finally i have read somewhere that is it is usually harder to find a long lasting male slave than a long lasting female slave. This just enforces my view that male submission is just a kink and not really a 100% submission. I am seeing this very clearly with my online sub. However, with this prejudice I have explored my live-in relationship and to my surprise I've found genuine submission. Interestingly enough, this trait does not prevent my live-in partner from expressing male power and independence to the outside world and to me as I need it. As I stated before, for me male power and submission do not contradict each other. Surely enough, I very much need male characteristics in my partners and I wouldn't want to live without them. For me personally it is a very complicated balance and I wouldn't say that my current arrangement with my live-in partner resembles a classic M/s atmosphere as the M/s aspect is definitely not the focus although we are both aware of it. 22 Jan 12, 12:16 PM 000-731-321 10 yrs Miss_Astere wrote: lil_one_anjuli wrote: In hetero context....i refuse to believe that male submission is genuine. I think it is just their kink and nothing more. Finally i have read somewhere that is it is usually harder to find a long lasting male slave than a long lasting female slave. This just enforces my view that male submission is just a kink and not really a 100% submission. I am seeing this very clearly with my online sub. However, with this prejudice I have explored my live-in relationship and to my surprise I've found genuine submission. Interestingly enough, this trait does not prevent my live-in partner from expressing male power and independence to the outside world and to me as I need it. As I stated before, for me male power and submission do not contradict each other. Surely enough, I very much need male characteristics in my partners and I wouldn't want to live without them. For me personally it is a very complicated balance and I wouldn't say that my current arrangement with my live-in partner resembles a classic M/s atmosphere as the M/s aspect is definitely not the focus although we are both aware of it. Online requires much more self-discipline than 24/7. With online, it is easier to go "off the reservation" for a short period of time when you are offline. i suspect that male slaves are more likely to use that time in a manner that is unbecoming a slave than a female slave would (but i could be wrong). For that reason, i believe that male slaves need more reinforcement of their status than female slaves. This doesn't mean that they have to get constant attention from their Mistress (or Master) but i do think that they need the environment (rules, supervision, etc...) that 24/7 provides. Perhaps without that environment, we are more likely to revert to our natural form. Miss Astere, if i may ask, how does Your 24/7 feel about Your online? Edited 22 Jan 12, 12:17 PM by 000-731-321 22 Jan 12, 6:09 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs Miss_Astere wrote: However, with this prejudice I have explored my live-in relationship and to my surprise I've found genuine submission. Interestingly enough, this trait does not prevent my live-in partner from expressing male power and independence to the outside world and to me as I need it. . *my bold I find this statement interesting and wonder if you could expand more on it. What do you mean by male power? I ask this because by My interpretation, I believe this can be true of female s types as well, so not something that is inherent in the male submissive. I interpret it to mean that there is some dominance and independence to the outside world, which is why I ask, while you may mean somethig totally different. Disclaimer: My thoughts and writing style may differ from yours. I take no responsibility for your perception. Read at your own risk. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 23 Jan 12, 6:20 PM Miss_Astere US, 2 yrs 000-731-321 wrote: Miss_Astere wrote: lil_one_anjuli wrote: In hetero context....i refuse to believe that male submission is genuine. I think it is just their kink and nothing more. Finally i have read somewhere that is it is usually harder to find a long lasting male slave than a long lasting female slave. This just enforces my view that male submission is just a kink and not really a 100% submission. I am seeing this very clearly with my online sub. However, with this prejudice I have explored my live-in relationship and to my surprise I've found genuine submission. Interestingly enough, this trait does not prevent my live-in partner from expressing male power and independence to the outside world and to me as I need it. As I stated before, for me male power and submission do not contradict each other. Surely enough, I very much need male characteristics in my partners and I wouldn't want to live without them. For me personally it is a very complicated balance and I wouldn't say that my current arrangement with my live-in partner resembles a classic M/s atmosphere as the M/s aspect is definitely not the focus although we are both aware of it. Online requires much more self-discipline than 24/7. With online, it is easier to go "off the reservation" for a short period of time when you are offline. i suspect that male slaves are more likely to use that time in a manner that is unbecoming a slave than a female slave would (but i could be wrong). For that reason, i believe that male slaves need more reinforcement of their status than female slaves. This doesn't mean that they have to get constant attention from their Mistress (or Master) but i do think that they need the environment (rules, supervision, etc...) that 24/7 provides. Perhaps without that environment, we are more likely to revert to our natural form. You sound like you have some experience with online D/s? It is absolutely a totally different thing. I find it much more complimentary than exclusive which is how we both do it. So I guess it combines characteristics of both poly and online which makes it quite complicated and challenging for me. I agree with what you say about the reinforcement and self-discipline but I also think that the situation requires a lot of intelligence on the slave side. Especially when it is mutually agreed upon nonexclusive arrangement. Also, for me it definitely goes beyond micromanagement which has never been my style really. I wouldn't want to micromanage my live-in either or my kid for that matter. It's just too much work and not fun for me. 23 Jan 12, 6:45 PM Miss_Astere US, 2 yrs 000-731-321 wrote: Miss Astere, if i may ask, how does Your 24/7 feel about Your online? Plain dislike would be quite precise. However, I need to elaborate and include more details as things right now look deceiving and it may sound like I may have control over this whole arrangement as it is in reality a very challenging work in progress which I am sure will not have the results I am envisioning right now Apologies to those who don't care for the derailment. First of all, using the phrase "my online sub" is somewhat of a misconception as I use it to indicate that he is the only one of that kind for me but by no means to indicate an official status. If asked, he would describe himself as an "Alpha+" male which I just can't stand to have around me (no offense to the type, I am speaking from a clearly practical point of view in regards to my personality). So, as implied above, this guy seems to be in it for the kink which makes him quite unreliable and inconsistent. And because he has a perfectly good idea (as I believe I have mentioned before) of how he needs to be handled, on several occasions he has ran off with another Mistress who was obviously better equipped for his needs (our nonexclusive relationship clearly had a "no Mistress/slave substitution" policy ) As you can see, it is mostly up to him how much he wants to be involved which makes it very easy for him to try to turn the tables which makes me in turn block him. We have been stuck in this position for quite some time which for me is a red flag always. I can't say that I don't notice any progress either but at this point it needs to be drastic and permanent because of his deceiving history. Otherwise I know for fact he's not getting his sub experience neither am I getting my Domme one. The status quo would lead to a slow and painful (possibly disgraceful) death. So to answer your question thoroughly, my live-in dislikes the situation but this hasn't been the real issue as I am considerably less active online. Next page