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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Does 24/7 really exist?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 Does 24/7 really exist? (56) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Thu 3 Nov 11, 8:04 AM lil_one_anjuli 20 mths Does Santa Claus exist??? Okay i am not going to argue there are 24/7 couples bcs there are. I am one....but...here goes the thing. As i posted yesterday or today, i cant remember, i realized there are days i do things that are not for my Master. Go to church, buying chocolate for me, staying with one child, playing piano and so on. This of course means while i do this or that i am not thinking about serving Master but i am ready if He calls me anytime. Also there is another thing that never thought about. If a slave is 24/7 is Master 24/7 as well? I know if a Master is poly...nope it is not possible...but if he is mono...i wonder how a master feels. Does he feel , yes i am 24/7 for my slave, guiding her, loving her, using her, thinking about her? Or does he feel that 24/7 is just for slaves? What about during sleeping time?? What about this, that or when sick? If 24/7 exists...what exactly it means? Because being ready and to live for the husband can happen in vanilla as well... anjuli My blog: http://www.anaferreira-pianist.com/blog.html 3 Nov 11, 8:55 AM Prolixitys_Saphira US, 16 mths lil_one_anjuli wrote: Does 24/7 really exist? Does Santa Claus exist??? No, because the majority of reindeer who keep their antlers through December are pregnant females. There is no way eight pregnant reindeer are going to consent to hauling an obese guy with a sleigh full of toys all over the world at a speed faster than light. lil_one_anjuli wrote: Okay i am not going to argue there are 24/7 couples bcs there are. I am one....but...here goes the thing. As i posted yesterday or today, i cant remember, i realized there are days i do things that are not for my Master. Go to church, buying chocolate for me, staying with one child, playing piano and so on. This of course means while i do this or that i am not thinking about serving Master but i am ready if He calls me anytime. Isn't that what 24/7 is about? Being there if he needs you? I have heard of some dynamics where the slave does do the owner's bidding every waking minute, whether its housework, shopping or whatever, but that does not mean if it is done differently it's not 24/7. An owner has the right to give the slave a bit of free time if s/he has no need of the slave at the moment. lil_one_anjuli wrote: Also there is another thing that never thought about. If a slave is 24/7 is Master 24/7 as well? I know if a Master is poly...nope it is not possible...but if he is mono...i wonder how a master feels. Does he feel , yes i am 24/7 for my slave, guiding her, loving her, using her, thinking about her? Or does he feel that 24/7 is just for slaves? I would venture a "yes" on this. An owner needs to be an owner 24/7 to keep control of the slave, even in a poly situation. Otherwise s/he might as well say. "Well, I'm off to play with slave number two, so go ahead and run a muck while I'm gone!" lil_one_anjuli wrote: What about during sleeping time?? What about this, that or when sick? Well, everyone has to sleep, but if an owner wanted something during the night, even simply a glass of water, the slave should expect that being awakened during night to serve is a possibility. As for sick, that depends on the sickness and dynamic. A slave can serve with a cold or minor illness in most cases, but shouldn't if s/he is sick with mono or something else serious. In a good dynamic, a slave with a serious illness should be told to rest and do what is necessary to get better. Doing what you must to get better is serving your owner. lil_one_anjuli wrote: If 24/7 exists...what exactly it means? Because being ready and to live for the husband can happen in vanilla as well... I think I gave some answers above. It means being there ready to serve your owner at all times, even if s/he doesn't fill up your schedule completely. And yes, it can happen in vanilla. The difference is in vanilla it is not as strictly enforced as in D/s. In most cases the submissive vanilla wife is not going to get spanked or set to write lines if she doesn't get dinner on the table at the right time. If hubby does physically punish her for not following directions, it is seen as abuse, while those in the lifestyle do not look upon it as abuse. We have consented to that if physical punishment is part of the dynamic. Owned, loved and protected by Prolixity. Edited 3 Nov 11, 8:57 AM by Prolixitys_Saphira 3 Nov 11, 9:13 AM lil_one_anjuli 20 mths Prolixitys_Saphira wrote: lil_one_anjuli wrote: Does 24/7 really exist? Does Santa Claus exist??? No, because the majority of reindeer who keep their antlers through December are pregnant females. There is no way eight pregnant reindeer are going to consent to hauling an obese guy with a sleigh full of toys all over the world at a speed faster than light. lil_one_anjuli wrote: Okay i am not going to argue there are 24/7 couples bcs there are. I am one....but...here goes the thing. As i posted yesterday or today, i cant remember, i realized there are days i do things that are not for my Master. Go to church, buying chocolate for me, staying with one child, playing piano and so on. This of course means while i do this or that i am not thinking about serving Master but i am ready if He calls me anytime. Isn't that what 24/7 is about? Being there if he needs you? I have heard of some dynamics where the slave does do the owner's bidding every waking minute, whether its housework, shopping or whatever, but that does not mean if it is done differently it's not 24/7. An owner has the right to give the slave a bit of free time if s/he has no need of the slave at the moment. lil_one_anjuli wrote: Also there is another thing that never thought about. If a slave is 24/7 is Master 24/7 as well? I know if a Master is poly...nope it is not possible...but if he is mono...i wonder how a master feels. Does he feel , yes i am 24/7 for my slave, guiding her, loving her, using her, thinking about her? Or does he feel that 24/7 is just for slaves? I would venture a "yes" on this. An owner needs to be an owner 24/7 to keep control of the slave, even in a poly situation. Otherwise s/he might as well say. "Well, I'm off to play with slave number two, so go ahead and run a muck while I'm gone!" lil_one_anjuli wrote: What about during sleeping time?? What about this, that or when sick? Well, everyone has to sleep, but if an owner wanted something during the night, even simply a glass of water, the slave should expect that being awakened during night to serve is a possibility. As for sick, that depends on the sickness and dynamic. A slave can serve with a cold or minor illness in most cases, but shouldn't if s/he is sick with mono or something else serious. In a good dynamic, a slave with a serious illness should be told to rest and do what is necessary to get better. Doing what you must to get better is serving your owner. lil_one_anjuli wrote: If 24/7 exists...what exactly it means? Because being ready and to live for the husband can happen in vanilla as well... I think I gave some answers above. It means being there ready to serve your owner at all times, even if s/he doesn't fill up your schedule completely. And yes, it can happen in vanilla. The difference is in vanilla it is not as strictly enforced as in D/s. In most cases the submissive vanilla wife is not going to get spanked or set to write lines if she doesn't get dinner on the table at the right time. If hubby does physically punish her for not following directions, it is seen as abuse, while those in the lifestyle do not look upon it as abuse. We have consented to that if physical punishment is part of the dynamic. Yes from your answers it made lot of sense. Me being allowed to go to the church is a privilege granted by my Master. I always ask His permission. The problem is...i still do things just for myself. And this boggles my mind. I am sure other slaves do stuff only for themselves. I had a more radical view of 24/7: I thought that everything i would do would be for Master's happiness. okay i do that...but when i do not think about Him...or when i buy chocolate that is going to jeopardise my diet although it is not forbidden from my menu....what i am doing? I tell him i ate chocolate but this was not for His happiness. Your view is rather more flexible. To be ready 24/7 anytime master needs. It suits more and is less ambitious. But still life is tricky, right? anjuli My blog: http://www.anaferreira-pianist.com/blog.html 3 Nov 11, 10:30 AM DrakaOwner UK, 7 mths I am actually a great believer in the 24/7 concept, both for slaves and their owners. Does this mean that each has to be in others' company for all of the time? In an ideal world, maybe yes. But in the one in which we live, I think not necessarily. I regard myself as a 24/7 owner and I am sure my slaves similarly think of themselves as being owned 24/7. But I see them on weekends usually (except for a short period in the summer when we all gather for a couple of weeks), the rest of the time they are living their lives. But, I do my best to control them during this period by laying down rules they must follow and by monitoring them via Skype and - where feasible - webcams. In effect, they are deprived of freedom of movement, unless my permission is granted. Surely this is a critical element in being a slave? So, I believe I have as much control over their lives as possible, bearing in mind they have to earn a living or study. I know - as ever! - not all will see this the same way I do, but all I can say is that it works very well for us. 3 Nov 11, 10:55 AM lil_one_anjuli 20 mths DrakaOwner wrote: I am actually a great believer in the 24/7 concept, both for slaves and their owners. Does this mean that each has to be in others' company for all of the time? In an ideal world, maybe yes. But in the one in which we live, I think not necessarily. I regard myself as a 24/7 owner and I am sure my slaves similarly think of themselves as being owned 24/7. But I see them on weekends usually (except for a short period in the summer when we all gather for a couple of weeks), the rest of the time they are living their lives. But, I do my best to control them during this period by laying down rules they must follow and by monitoring them via Skype and - where feasible - webcams. In effect, they are deprived of freedom of movement, unless my permission is granted. Surely this is a critical element in being a slave? So, I believe I have as much control over their lives as possible, bearing in mind they have to earn a living or study. I know - as ever! - not all will see this the same way I do, but all I can say is that it works very well for us. thanks for your input. Very insightful. That is why i believe in 24/7 online...i think i was more 24/7 during online than now in real life. The thing is...the hour difference helped us greatly ( me in USA and He in Australia). And the rules were much more specific. Now we are quite relaxed and i miss him a lot during his 12 hours shift...and i end up consoling myself and distract myself. With this 12 hours shift it is obvious i have plenty time for myself and i do not receive a single order from him when he is at work because he doesnt have time to txt me or call me. Tonight i will ask Master this question but i am 95% sure He will say He is 24/7 with me although He is not obliged to give 24/7, if i made sense.... My blog: http://www.anaferreira-pianist.com/blog.html 3 Nov 11, 12:44 PM seresse US(PA), 23 mths Y! i always considered 24/7 to be a specific reference to a live-together situation, like a vanilla couple - but it begins to seem that is a bit limited of a view. ??? i consider my master and myself to be 24/7 since we present to the vanilla world as husband and wife, live together with all our stuff in the same house, raise the kids together, etc., but he is often gone for long periods of time on business. That leaves me home alone a lot, making judgement calls and appearing pretty independent - which might be considered not 24/7 by some. In the end i have to answer to him for my decisions and actions. There may be a specific definition, like there is for other terms we use here on TSR, but i took a quick look at the wiki and didn't see one ...? i suspect we may be talking about a couple of different things: one is a physical situation - on-line, in real life, or live-together. The other is a mental/emotional state of complete submission and domination, whether in physical presence or not. @lil_one_anjuli It might be interesting for you to read the thread "whips, chains, and laundry" in Other Topics. It seems a lot of us have found that the reality of living with our masters turns out to be a little different than we imagined. seresse 4 Nov 11, 7:42 PM Dagobert US(WA), 21 mths @Prolixitys_Saphira hit it spot on for me. A 24x7 situation means the s-type is there, without exception, at any point the m-type needs her/him. Adela and I most certainly don't live M/s 24x7 because much of the time we work as a team to take care of all the various and sundry things that need to be attended to in order to keep day-to-day life functioning. However, at any given moment, I may request something of her, or tell her to suck my cock, or do the laundry, or whatever it may be. When that happens she stops what she is currently doing and immediately undertakes the task I have given her. There are some here who DO live M/s 24x7 though... and that is a wonderful thing. I think, however, for many of us who are here and live with each other that we exist in a sort of hybrid world of vanilla and M/s. 5 Nov 11, 2:47 AM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs seresse wrote: i always considered 24/7 to be a specific reference to a live-together situation, like a vanilla couple - but it begins to seem that is a bit limited of a view. ??? That was its original intent. In a nutshell, M/s relationships were/are relationships that take power exchange permanently to the nth degree humanly possible. Not just power exchange, but total power exchange. Not just for an evening or a weekend, but till death (or the Owner's decision) do us part with consensual non-consent thrown in for fun. The 24/7/co-resident/domiciled together element is (was) the least controversial part of the recipe. It didn't become 'controversial' until the computer age. Despite the notion that if it is not 'real life' it must be fake life (?), living together is universally considered a greater commitment in a (vanilla) relationship than not living together. When two vanilla lovers discuss their relationship, nobody tries to justify living apart, or explain to their friends that they are just as close as if they lived together, because, well it is obvious that they haven't taken that step of commitment or intimacy. In both the M/s relationship and a Parent/child relationship one side of the slash is supposed to train, influence and control the other. In a Parent/child relationship the idea is reduce control over time. In M/s the idea is to increase control over time. Are all the custody battles in divorces completely for naught? If living together doesn't matter to the depth (and control) of a relationship then one can phone in parenting and be just fine, right? Is that working for any parents you know? It is a common held axiom among non-custodial fathers that they aren't as strict with the kids on visitation day because they don't see them that often and don't want to ruin the time they have together. Is it unreasonable to expect that the same tendency would rear its head in a D/s relationship? Another “organization” that is heavily into training and realigning one's thought patterns (and is quite successful) is the military. Can they close boot camps and accomplish just as much training on-line at home since on-line, long distance is just as good as real life? We are dealing with volunteers, right? And on the topic of military, members deployed overseas, since they have access to emails and phones now, don't have any hardships as spouses or parents because "on-line" is just as good as real life, right? (And yes, there is a major difference between a soldier/sailor/airman/marine AFTER boot camp and a recruit BEFORE boot camp, a world of difference.) How can so many people not see how ridicules the position is? Are they all blinded by some bodice-ripper romantic mentality about slavery? Being a slave, (or Owner for that matter) isn't romantic, it is hard work. (If it isn't hard work, on both sides of the slash, you're not doing it) The notion that not living together constitutes a lesser commitment in a vanilla relationship, and does affect a parent's relationship with their child but somehow has no effect whatsoever on a BDSM relationship is just ludicrous. M/s isn't about how little is good enough. M/s is (or was) about ALL in, TOTAL power exchange, TOTAL commitment of all parties.....that is just impossible when people normally sleep in different abodes. (Not that being in the same house magically makes the real meat of M/s happen easy....) Sorry if that ruins the romance. <selah> There is no authority, only responsibility. 5 Nov 11, 6:56 AM isolai AU, 16 mths Master_Odin wrote: seresse wrote: i always considered 24/7 to be a specific reference to a live-together situation, like a vanilla couple - but it begins to seem that is a bit limited of a view. ??? That was its original intent. In a nutshell, M/s relationships were/are relationships that take power exchange permanently to the nth degree humanly possible. Not just power exchange, but total power exchange. Not just for an evening or a weekend, but till death (or the Owner's decision) do us part with consensual non-consent thrown in for fun. The 24/7/co-resident/domiciled together element is (was) the least controversial part of the recipe. It didn't become 'controversial' until the computer age. Despite the notion that if it is not 'real life' it must be fake life (?), living together is universally considered a greater commitment in a (vanilla) relationship than not living together. When two vanilla lovers discuss their relationship, nobody tries to justify living apart, or explain to their friends that they are just as close as if they lived together, because, well it is obvious that they haven't taken that step of commitment or intimacy. In both the M/s relationship and a Parent/child relationship one side of the slash is supposed to train, influence and control the other. In a Parent/child relationship the idea is reduce control over time. In M/s the idea is to increase control over time. Are all the custody battles in divorces completely for naught? If living together doesn't matter to the depth (and control) of a relationship then one can phone in parenting and be just fine, right? Is that working for any parents you know? It is a common held axiom among non-custodial fathers that they aren't as strict with the kids on visitation day because they don't see them that often and don't want to ruin the time they have together. Is it unreasonable to expect that the same tendency would rear its head in a D/s relationship? Another “organization” that is heavily into training and realigning one's thought patterns (and is quite successful) is the military. Can they close boot camps and accomplish just as much training on-line at home since on-line, long distance is just as good as real life? We are dealing with volunteers, right? And on the topic of military, members deployed overseas, since they have access to emails and phones now, don't have any hardships as spouses or parents because "on-line" is just as good as real life, right? (And yes, there is a major difference between a soldier/sailor/airman/marine AFTER boot camp and a recruit BEFORE boot camp, a world of difference.) How can so many people not see how ridicules the position is? Are they all blinded by some bodice-ripper romantic mentality about slavery? Being a slave, (or Owner for that matter) isn't romantic, it is hard work. (If it isn't hard work, on both sides of the slash, you're not doing it) The notion that not living together constitutes a lesser commitment in a vanilla relationship, and does affect a parent's relationship with their child but somehow has no effect whatsoever on a BDSM relationship is just ludicrous. M/s isn't about how little is good enough. M/s is (or was) about ALL in, TOTAL power exchange, TOTAL commitment of all parties.....that is just impossible when people normally sleep in different abodes. (Not that being in the same house magically makes the real meat of M/s happen easy....) Sorry if that ruins the romance. <selah> I'm afraid (and it really pains me to say this) but i entirely agree with Master Odin. There is no 24/7 if you don't live in the same house. It's really quite basic. But living in the same house doesn't *guarantee* you a 24/7 gold banana sticker either. 5 Nov 11, 7:47 AM 000-772-096 US, 7 yrs lil_one_anjuli wrote: Does 24/7 really exist? Does Santa Claus exist??? If a slave is 24/7 is Master 24/7 as well? I know if a Master is poly...nope it is not possible...but if he is mono...i wonder how a master feels. Does he feel , yes i am 24/7 for my slave, guiding her, loving her, using her, thinking about her? Or does he feel that 24/7 is just for slaves? What about during sleeping time?? What about this, that or when sick? If 24/7 exists...what exactly it means? Because being ready and to live for the husband can happen in vanilla as well... anjuli Yes, I firmly believe Santa Claus exists. As an additional observation, I'm not sure why "24/7" became the standard for posting here when the instructions clearly state "Discussion of real-life M/s and D/s relationships, including Ownership & Possession and Internal Enslavement. Please try to follow the definitions in the Wiki when writing posts. (Online relationships are off-topic for this board.)" I don't see how it can be more clear than that and it has nothing to do with how many hours there are in a day. I couldn't find the term 24/7 in the wiki, but perhaps I missed it. 24/7 or 24/7/365 is *in my personal opinion* nothing more than an indication that the people involved in any given relationship exist 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Since people generally exist until they no longer exist, I find the use of terms like 24/7 to be useless in describing a relationship. I don't personally believe in the concept of time as it is normally understood so the terms and hours mean even less to me than they would to someone else. 24/7 says nothing to me about the definition of a relationship and I generally ignore it as a descriptor. Others may feel differently. In answer to the question "Does it exist?" in reference to defining a relationship - I would answer "No" as my personal opinion. (BTW - welcome back @lil_one_anjuli ) I use Master & slave (M/f) because he is Master & I am slave. I'm wordy & one of "those" people. All disclaimers apply-my thoughts, opinions, experiences & words. I believe in Master. Be who you are, say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter & those who matter don't mind-Dr. Seuss Edited 5 Nov 11, 7:49 AM by 000-772-096 5 Nov 11, 8:12 AM Lord_Uther UK, 6 yrs ^^^ What Master Odin said...all of it!!! Yes it does exist, it's just another way of saying we live together. "We're Master/slave 24/7, not just at weekends or online". With that I'm not trying to say here that M/s dynamics that live together but one of the party has to work away for periods is not 24/7, nor am I trying to say that if you don't live together your dynamic is less valid. Just saying that 24/7 means that you live together. My name is Lord Uther, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair! Next page