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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Slave Leaving" 1 2 3 Slave Leaving (25) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Tue 11 Oct 11, 7:13 AM Manaloth_Vorstate US(MI), 9 mths Y! Hello again, so i was just curious because this hasnt been brought up into anything ive read yet, but how does a slave leave a relationship? i mean it might just be my already brought up notion of a slave doesnt have a choice if they leave (keep in mind i was brought up with slavery being of the farm hand variety), so i was wondering how would a slave leave a relationship with the master, who is a perfect example of a master in every way, even if the master doesnt want him/her to leave the relationship. 11 Oct 11, 7:27 AM 822-492-813 US(KY), 17 mths Well I think the answer to your question is the difference between slavery in the broader context and the type of slavery that we talk about in the lifestyle. The slave is still a human being with rights. If we want local law enforcement and the government to respect us we must act like adults and let go of any slave that no longer wants to be owned. All the slave needs to do is leave. Giving the Dom a reason seems polite and adult, but leaving is all that is required. If someone is in a position where they cannot leave then a crime is being committed. 11 Oct 11, 8:47 AM sassybutt UK, 4 yrs this has been brought numerous times over the years, search the archives. Minoangirl~slave to MasterDX12 11 Oct 11, 10:51 AM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs 822-492-813 wrote: Well I think the answer to your question is the difference between slavery in the broader context and the type of slavery that we talk about in the lifestyle. The slave is still a human being with rights. If we want local law enforcement and the government to respect us we must act like adults and let go of any slave that no longer wants to be owned. All the slave needs to do is leave. Giving the Dom a reason seems polite and adult, but leaving is all that is required. If someone is in a position where they cannot leave then a crime is being committed. Slaves (property) don't/can't leave without their Owner's permission. Subs can do whatever they want. Most of BSDM is illegal in many/most venues. The argument is a strawman. This has been beaten to death in many threads. The blurring of sub/slave lines and the acceptance of ideas like those quoted above by the list owner are the reason many/most of the relationships that built this list have left. And why it is so quiet. <selah> There is no authority, only responsibility. 11 Oct 11, 12:01 PM isolai AU, 16 mths I once felt very differently than i presently do on this subject. I was idealistic, and to me it seemed *obvious* that so long as the law was on my side, i could leave the relationship whenever it so pleased me. I've since come to realise that this is a perversion of the thing i hold dear, my submission. Unless my Master honestly went insane and abused me physically and mentally for a period of time.... Once that collar goes on my throat, there is no turning back. I could ask for release, but it may not be granted me, and i simply have to deal with it. That would be the commitment i make. This is why i think it is so important, choosing the right Master. Obviously my way is not going to be everyone's way *smiles* Edited 11 Oct 11, 12:02 PM by isolai 11 Oct 11, 12:24 PM sassybutt UK, 4 yrs Look at it this way, subs choose WHO and HOW they serve, slaves ONLY choose WHO. !edited to add! Ofcourse this is all on a deeply emotional level and you will get a TON of personal opinions. Minoangirl~slave to MasterDX12 Edited 11 Oct 11, 12:52 PM by sassybutt 11 Oct 11, 12:47 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs Master_Odin wrote: The blurring of sub/slave lines and the acceptance of ideas like those quoted above by the list owner are the reason many/most of the relationships that built this list have left. Life is blurry... hopelessly so. The question is can you accept the blurriness and adapt and be less judgemental of those who wish to try and keep it all black and white in little boxes with labels. This is the basis of the argument that caused the departure of many. I was never a box dweller... my life has always been much to big to stuff in a box. So, while some would make the distinction between sub or slave, I couldn't care less it is all in how you choose to live. Like was said above... it is all in how you think. If you think that a slave can't leave... you won't. If you give the law a higher place in your life, you can leave and know the law will protect you. It all depends on the circumstances of each situation. I know of a slave who was with her Master for 10 years... till one day he did the unthinkable and like the straw that broke the camel's back the house of cards came tumbling down. Don't think for one minute because a person ascribes to a label they will always be... life is just not simple. "We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us. The old skin must be shed before a new one can come." ~ Joseph Campbell 11 Oct 11, 1:25 PM slave_torianna US(GA), 15 mths Manaloth_Vorstate wrote: Slave Leaving Hello again, so i was just curious because this hasnt been brought up into anything ive read yet, but how does a slave leave a relationship? i mean it might just be my already brought up notion of a slave doesnt have a choice if they leave (keep in mind i was brought up with slavery being of the farm hand variety), so i was wondering how would a slave leave a relationship with the master, who is a perfect example of a master in every way, even if the master doesnt want him/her to leave the relationship. this will vary from person to person. my opinion: unless there is risk to your life, i dont think a slave can leave. i gave my life and freedom to Daddy. so even if i wanted to leave, i do not have the option to choose. Daddy also had me sign a slave contract and as we know it is not really legally binding, we still take it very seriously and in the contract it states that only Daddy can void or transfer ownership to another. This is the reason i think it is very wise to make sure you know what your getting into before you make this type of commitment. slave torianna i dont walk in front or beside Daddy, i walk a step behind in my place, but close enough to grab His shirt tail if i ever get scared. i'm thankful to my Master that never leaves me behind. Thank you for loving someone like me Daddy. 11 Oct 11, 2:13 PM DarkDrifter CA, 4 yrs Y! Slaves can't leave or do anything without permission/instruction from their Owner. Anything else is a perversion (as has been said) of what it is all about. This notion that a slave can up and leave any time they like and it would be nice if they give their Owner a reason is nonsense and worse than vanilla. Though there are differences between slave and submissive I wouldn't expect any submissive to just up and leave either. With a submissive there would be more open discussion, more back and forth. But having a sub/slave announce "Hi honey, I'm leaving" .... no I wouldn't buy that there had been much of a D/s or M/s dynamic in that relationship. 11 Oct 11, 3:47 PM SnowdropExplodes UK, 7 yrs Y! Still the best line I've ever heard about this is from a song written by a guy called Brian Bedford: Why do people cage the things they love the most? Is it simply that they fear to be alone? If you give your love its freedom it may stay a while; If it leaves you it was never yours to own. If a slave truly cannot leave, than zie isn't truly your slave in the BDSM sense, because it is no longer a slavehood in the heart and mind, but only in the body. If a slave does leave, then hir "owner" didn't own hir in the first place (in which case, no reason is needed), or else in some way forfeited ownership (for instance, by not putting enough effort in to maintain the relationship). The thing that makes M/s so great is that it has to be an ongoing commitment - each day a slave does have to reaffirm to hirself and to hir owner, "Yes, I want to be owned and not to have the choice." Richard P Feynman wrote about his experiences with hypnosis that: All the time you're saying to yourself, "I could do that, but I won't" - which is just another way of saying that you can't. I think the same is true of BDSM slavehood. As long as a slave believes in hir slavehood enough to say that zie won't leave, then zie can't, and zie gives up that choice. As long as an owner plays hir part, and if the ownership and slavehood is real, then I think that the owner should be able to maintain that state for the slave where "I could but I won't" = "I can't". 11 Oct 11, 5:34 PM slave_emma US(OK), 6 yrs Y! When a slave wants to leave sometimes the slave will ask the Master for release and other times the slave will just leave. For a slave to just get up and leave there is typically something that happened or has been happening which crossed a line for the slave. It could literally be anything. I think for a slave to be able to get up and leave, the power exchange in the relationship has at that point been lost and is usually beyond repair. Here is an interesting tread about the fallout of a break ups from a couple months ago. http://www.slaveregister.com/posts/181822/ Best wishes, slave emma Master Howard's little girl Next page