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	TSR : Web boards : Other Topics : "TSR posts published in book... with member names??" 1 2 TSR posts published in book... with member names?? (11) This post is on the Other Topics web board. Wed 13 Apr 11, 4:11 PM SL_precious CA, 3 yrs Yes... Believe it Being the kinky little thing that I am, upon browsing books for my iPad in the adult section I come across an interesting title " Master and Slave: Contemporary analysis of the BDSM sub-culture" by Dr. Garth Mundinger-Klow ( this is in no way an endorsement) .. OK.. Got my attention so I downloaded the sample 60 pgs. As I begin to read the first chapter titled " Slave Confessions" I am having this weird feeling of Deja vu... This is way too familiar...then I recognize some of the writing as TSR posts I had read before..but that can't be, can it? A few more pages and BINGO! Names included in the posts from some of the active members from 2-3 hrs ago ( I have actually been a member for 4 yrs but had to make a new profile 2 yrs ago) . Names included p and McCain... There are several of her posts in fact. Barbara and William, Odin and nebulina, Mistress Tamara, as well as Claire and Mike. There is no mention as to where the qoutes came from. Would Tanos have to give permission or can anyone just take and publish at will the text from these boards? This leaves a really bad taste in my mouth either way... I realize this is a forum on the web and that anyone can access and read the boards, but to copy and paste exact text and publish it as some sort of social analysis of the lifestyle without the knowledge of the original writer .. I don't know. All I have to say is be careful what details you share about your personal lives that my give away your identity if you are trying to maintain some privacy. A friend, co worker or heaven forbid your children could stumble across some book like this and without you even knowing it was out there, I certainly didn't expect to read it ... I looked up the book and it can also be purchased on amazon.. I didn't buy it and have no idea what it contains past chapter 1 but I just thought you might like to know. Best Regards, SL_precious 13 Apr 11, 4:29 PM Valyrian101 US, 18 mths SL_precious wrote: TSR posts published in book... with member names?? Yes... Believe it Being the kinky little thing that I am, upon browsing books for my iPad in the adult section I come across an interesting title " Master and Slave: Contemporary analysis of the BDSM sub-culture" by Dr. Garth Mundinger-Klow ( this is in no way an endorsement) .. OK.. Got my attention so I downloaded the sample 60 pgs. As I begin to read the first chapter titled " Slave Confessions" I am having this weird feeling of Deja vu... This is way too familiar...then I recognize some of the writing as TSR posts I had read before..but that can't be, can it? A few more pages and BINGO! Names included in the posts from some of the active members from 2-3 hrs ago ( I have actually been a member for 4 yrs but had to make a new profile 2 yrs ago) . Names included p and McCain... There are several of her posts in fact. Barbara and William, Odin and nebulina, Mistress Tamara, as well as Claire and Mike. There is no mention as to where the qoutes came from. Would Tanos have to give permission or can anyone just take and publish at will the text from these boards? This leaves a really bad taste in my mouth either way... I realize this is a forum on the web and that anyone can access and read the boards, but to copy and paste exact text and publish it as some sort of social analysis of the lifestyle without the knowledge of the original writer .. I don't know. All I have to say is be careful what details you share about your personal lives that my give away your identity if you are trying to maintain some privacy. A friend, co worker or heaven forbid your children could stumble across some book like this and without you even knowing it was out there, I certainly didn't expect to read it ... I looked up the book and it can also be purchased on amazon.. I didn't buy it and have no idea what it contains past chapter 1 but I just thought you might like to know. Best Regards, SL_precious I believe @Ravenkaldera was writing a book or a study of something. And in doing so he asked if anyone wanted to participate. He said he'd only use names of those people who would openly consent. If this is the case, then he is one that I would trust. If this is not, I don't know. Respect is default. Communication is mandatory. Understanding is enlightenment. Est Solaris Oth Mithas! 13 Apr 11, 4:54 PM SL_precious CA, 3 yrs I absolutely would trust Raven, this however seems to be a type of research paper and I don't ever recall someone by that name asking questions. This is more of a random collection of posts compiled for an outside analysis of the M/s lifestyle. I get the feeling they were taken without the posters knowlege.. I could be wrong, but I don't think so... Unfortunately the people mentioned are not currently posting to ask them. SL_precious 13 Apr 11, 5:12 PM Valyrian101 US, 18 mths Are their profiles deleted? If not, I'd at least memo them to inquire about it. Respect is default. Communication is mandatory. Understanding is enlightenment. Est Solaris Oth Mithas! 13 Apr 11, 7:09 PM Dagobert US(WA), 21 mths http://twitter.com/SlaveRegister. Click on any of the links in the tweets, select "continue as guest" and you have unfettered access to TSR posts. Or just come to the TSR site directly and do the same. Wanna see something really fun? Search google for your TSR handle (if you have a common name you may need to add something like your location). Are you maybe hiding your city on your TSR profile but showing it on Fetlife? Then it is easy to put two and two together. My point is not to scare anyone but just to point out that absolute anonymity is a 100% myth. Given enough time and patience a dedicated person could find out who you really are. The question is: would they want to? And another question is: do you care? 6 years ago when I had my first profile on TSR (details long since lost unfortunately) I was pretty stealth because I happened to be the CEO of a public company at the time. Now I am pretty wide open and it wouldn't take anyone longer than a couple of hours to figure out exactly who I am. I realize not everyone has the luxury of not caring if they are exposed but you need to be aware that you COULD be... if someone really wanted to AND you are not careful. Rant aside, if the author of this "book" used quotes either unattributed or without consent there MAY be a legal issue. I haven't ever bothered to read the Terms of Service on TSR so I can't say exactly. Even if TSR's TOS gave wide open permission for external parties to use content without license it would still be very bad form of the author to not attribute. (I am more than positive that TSR does NOT give that permission by the way). I am the proud owner of dagoberts_cunt. She lives to serve me in all ways until the end of her days. 13 Apr 11, 8:02 PM Sir_Aldric 5 yrs I wonder is there are legal consequences involved by using that TSR data. For instance if you watch the news (or a movie) you see thousands of people walking by without the director or camera guy ever asked any of them for their permission to include their faces in this movie part. The way I understood this is that by being as a public member in a public place your data (presence, face, movements, whatever) can be used in that way. In fact by being there in a public place you sort of give your permission. I would not be surprised that the same legal approach goes for public available internet data. Any guest can read the TSR forum posts & profile. It is an open non-restricted public area. You don't need to make an account at TSR to access that data. By participating here we therefore sort of agree automatically that others will use the data we produce for their own purposes. If you don't want that, I guess from legal point you should state that clearly on whatever you do at TSR, meaning your profile and posts, something like: "The text included here is protected by international copyright laws and can not be used without the written approval of the owner". Sir Aldric 13 Apr 11, 8:42 PM AnathemaMaster US(IL), 4 yrs Y! Sir_Aldric wrote: I wonder is there are legal consequences involved by using that TSR data. "The text included here is protected by international copyright laws and can not be used without the written approval of the owner". Sir Aldric As I understand U.S. law, Aldric is correct. Lacking any specific written disclaimer, posts and profiles provide no reasonable expectation of privacy. (Just as anything you might throw away in the public trash is no longer technically 'yours.') As Dagobert pointed out, anyone can google any profile name or visit TSR anonymously. We either all become lawyers (a particularly odious thought), or we simply acknowledge the facts and live our lives, write profiles, post opinions, etc. If this causes folks to think twice before posting, hooray! *Sighs* A week from now, the carping and inanity will return with vigor. Solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant. Tacitus 13 Apr 11, 9:27 PM SL_precious CA, 3 yrs AnathemaMaster wrote: Sir_Aldric wrote: I wonder is there are legal consequences involved by using that TSR data. "The text included here is protected by international copyright laws and can not be used without the written approval of the owner". Sir Aldric As I understand U.S. law, Aldric is correct. Lacking any specific written disclaimer, posts and profiles provide no reasonable expectation of privacy. (Just as anything you might throw away in the public trash is no longer technically 'yours.') As Dagobert pointed out, anyone can google any profile name or visit TSR anonymously. We either all become lawyers (a particularly odious thought), or we simply acknowledge the facts and live our lives, write profiles, post opinions, etc. If this causes folks to think twice before posting, hooray! *Sighs* A week from now, the carping and inanity will return with vigor. I do understand that TSR can be accessed and read by anyone doing a simple search and do post with that in mind. But reading something available to the public is different from taking that text, putting it in a book and selling it for personal profit. I guess I am of the generation where it is unheard of to "publish" something without permission and acknowledgement being given to the original author. Just doesn't sit right. Not that it will matter, it is going to happen like it or not..just food for thought. Best Regards, SL_precious 14 Apr 11, 12:00 AM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs The following comes from the AUP for this site... I think the bold part speaks to member's posts and other material on TSR. Copyright You may not use TSR to infringe other people's copyrights. By uploading text, pictures or other content to TSR, you assert that you own the copyright, have permission from the copyright owner or the material's copyright is in the public domain. By uploading content to public areas of TSR, you grant TSR a non-exclusive, royalty-free license to make your material available in public via WWW, email, RSS or any other protocol, until you explicitly remove your material from the website. Material contributed by other users of the site remains under their own copyright, and you must obtain their permission before reproducing it elsewhere. Unless otherwise stated, material produced by TSR which you download may only be printed, engraved, stored or otherwise reproduced for personal use. Certificates, barcodes and other designs related to individual profiles may only be reproduced by third-parties if the work is commissioned by the owner of that profile. In any event, written permission must always be obtained before reproducing the TSR shield logo used by TSR's Slave Register. You may not use TSR to publish private correspondence without the sender's permission, or publish private correspondence from TSR elsewhere without the sender's permission. "If I have been of service; if I have glimpsed more of the nature and essence of ultimate good; if I am inspired to reach wider horizons of thought and action; if I am at peace with myself; it has been a successful day." ~ Alex Noble 14 Apr 11, 1:46 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs pet_ka_MJ wrote: The following comes from the AUP for this site... I think the bold part speaks to member's posts and other material on TSR. Copyright You may not use TSR to infringe other people's copyrights. By uploading text, pictures or other content to TSR, you assert that you own the copyright, have permission from the copyright owner or the material's copyright is in the public domain. By uploading content to public areas of TSR, you grant TSR a non-exclusive, royalty-free license to make your material available in public via WWW, email, RSS or any other protocol, until you explicitly remove your material from the website. Material contributed by other users of the site remains under their own copyright, and you must obtain their permission before reproducing it elsewhere. Unless otherwise stated, material produced by TSR which you download may only be printed, engraved, stored or otherwise reproduced for personal use. Certificates, barcodes and other designs related to individual profiles may only be reproduced by third-parties if the work is commissioned by the owner of that profile. In any event, written permission must always be obtained before reproducing the TSR shield logo used by TSR's Slave Register. You may not use TSR to publish private correspondence without the sender's permission, or publish private correspondence from TSR elsewhere without the sender's permission. For me, it's really the principle of the author publishing anything written on here in a book. Why the hell should someone make money off of what anyone here has written? Does this book acknowledge where the material came from? Parasites!! 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 14 Apr 11, 2:27 AM Celtic_Sir US, 17 mths Whenever there is something 'good' or 'worthwhile' someone's gonna try and make a buck. , Celtic Sir. 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