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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "auction" 1 2 3 4 5 auction (47) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 21 May 11, 1:45 AM True2life US(ID), 19 mths I think the whole point of these posts is just to create drama, though perhaps they can create actual conversation and thought. My own feeling are that no matter what flavor the relationship is, Vanilla, D/s, M/s, O/p it is STILL a relationship. a "break up" is a break up...If there is anyone among us that could truly treat their slave/sub/property as actual "property" like an object that could be sold, then they are a sub-human pig and undeserving of anyone's devotion. Edited 21 May 11, 1:46 AM by True2life 21 May 11, 1:25 PM Hawklord UK, 6 yrs SeanT70 wrote: 2. I don't really think it's fair to compare TSR with CollarMe I tend to be economical with words. There is no comparison. TSR is much more civilized but in terms of ads there are too few. SeanT70 wrote: 3. I know you said 'collarme meat market'; I don't like that term in the least; does that, then, mean that any s-type is just meat? I'm not sure that many of the s-types here would like that at all. That was not my intention. But if you look at some of the ads there, they do seem to descend to very base levels. SeanT70 wrote: 4. I can't speak for anyone else, but I value dogs and horses very highly, more highly than some humans in fact. They are not 'just' - they are sentient beings, and it seems to me you have got way, way above yourself in the whole thing of selling and auctioning a slave at all. Yes horses are sentient beings. But you can still sell them. With owning a horse and selling a horse comes responsibility. The analogy with a human slave, who you value below a horse, would surely equally apply. SeanT70 wrote: I suspect that in these posts you've been writing, in either thread, you're treading on very thin ice. I didn't start this thread. I am not the only one who thinks there are circumstances in which a slave can be sold as owned property. But unlike some I am not afraid of being flamed. There is no thin ice under me. I am not selling a slave, I never have and never will. But it has to be possible to support the concept (given certain criteria) without being treated like a trafficker or a pimp. I have my moral codes, I would never harm anyone (an it harm none...) but I also support the idea of selling human property. Some people support the idea of passing a slave to a new owner but object to being paid for it. As far as the slave is concerned it makes no difference. I have even found an instance where the slave was pleased to have a value and not be passed off as unwanted baggage. So please all you people who think you have the moral high ground, consider that some slaves actually want to be sold and are actually insulted by being given away or just plain released like unwanted gifts. Taking that high ground is easy. Who has the courage to face reality? Sic volo. sic jubeo. stat pro ratione voluntas Edited 21 May 11, 1:31 PM by Hawklord 21 May 11, 1:59 PM Syrox73 UK, 2 yrs Y! The concept of transferring ownership i think is the topic here. The inclusion of financial reimbursement has only muddied the waters. I do think Hawk has raised a good point though in the fact that a slave would appreciate having a measurable value to a master. be that money, jelly beans, or bellybutton fluff (yes I know silly examples, but it doesn't always have to come down to money). Personally speaking as someone who still considers themselves new to this whole scene, I would be most appreciative of an experienced master who could train both myself AND a girl, and for his time and effort, I would see no reason why he shouldn't expect some sort of reimbursement for his time and effort (th same as you might pay a piano tutor, etc) But then do you move OUT of the realms of paying for the girl, and INTO the realm of paying for a service.... Hmmm.... must go away and think about thisone. 21 May 11, 2:01 PM SeanT70 9 yrs No highground of any kind has been taken, certainly not on my part, Hawklord; I'm simply having my opinion, given that my membership on this board allows it. I take note of the fact that some of the things you say are flawed in some way; perhaps you should make amendments to your website before looking down your nose at us, huh? Yeah, ya know the part that says about buying a slave in, having her serve for six years, and her leaving in the 7th? For nothing? Oh. I don't care that it was in a religious context, I'm an atheist, but I find it funny how you spout about selling slaves, and getting your money back as compensation when you use quotes like that. Of course, it's good to know that you have some interest and moral high standards, but I have to tell you, I wouldn't be surprised if I weren't they only one missing those in your posts. Whilst this is a contradiction in terms; the economy of your words is abundant. Have a good day now, Sean. 21 May 11, 3:17 PM Hawklord UK, 6 yrs SeanT70 wrote: I take note of the fact that some of the things you say are flawed in some way; perhaps you should make amendments to your website before looking down your nose at us, huh? Yeah, ya know the part that says about buying a slave in, having her serve for six years, and her leaving in the 7th? For nothing? I think you are mistaken. That is a quote from the Bible. Exodus 21:2-6 and I can hardly amend that. I am not a Christian and certainly would never use the bible to support my opinion which is not expressed there in any case. That page is an overview of slavery with history, quotations and examples from various sources including the Bible and the Qoran and other sources and does not reflect my own views in any way. It's just some information. edited to remove contentious material. I think we reached the end (for me). Sic volo. sic jubeo. stat pro ratione voluntas Edited 21 May 11, 7:37 PM by Hawklord 21 May 11, 8:41 PM 870-625-812 NZ, 23 mths Hawklord wrote: SeanT70 wrote: 870-625-812 wrote: Greetings All. There is a similar, though more in depth posting 'Do You Buy/Sell for Real'. If I may, I would urge readers to visit page six, Master4536 statement in particular. I believe that it is a Master/Owners right to sell his property, be it at aution, wholesale or retail prices. The fine print is this;the chattle comprehends it's status as owned property. Respectfully, kajira kyun. Perhaps you (generic) should read more on page 6 on said thread in regard to posts noted. They were, and have more than once been called out as more than creative, shall we say. Regards, Sean. Even when faced with a kajira who is happy to be bought and sold you still trash their opinions. Are you never wrong? I wish to raise an important point here, regarding my words of may months ago. The crucial factor is that the said 'slave/owned property' does in reality totally "comprehend" exactly what is being done with/to them. Hawklord, you are indeed skating on extremely thin ice. May I ask why you closed your 'ModernSlavery' site, where you were marketing the morals of 'legal sale's of your stock'. Further, would a 'newbie' seriously be compitant to give 'informed consent' for said sale/raffle or what have you. kyun. 21 May 11, 10:33 PM SeanT70 9 yrs Hawklord wrote: SeanT70 wrote: 870-625-812 wrote: Greetings All. There is a similar, though more in depth posting 'Do You Buy/Sell for Real'. If I may, I would urge readers to visit page six, Master4536 statement in particular. I believe that it is a Master/Owners right to sell his property, be it at aution, wholesale or retail prices. The fine print is this;the chattle comprehends it's status as owned property. Respectfully, kajira kyun. Perhaps you (generic) should read more on page 6 on said thread in regard to posts noted. They were, and have more than once been called out as more than creative, shall we say. Regards, Sean. Even when faced with a kajira who is happy to be bought and sold you still trash their opinions. Are you never wrong? Of course I'm wrong sometimes, a lot of the time, most of the time - all of the time (in some peoples opinion), but since I wasn't referring to anything but the trash that 4536 comes out with in his posts most of the time, I don't see there was anything to be wrong about in what I said at the time. Of course 'if' a kajira put herself up for sale, or she is happy to be bought and sold, I have nothing to say on that subject, per se. I trust that clarifies my position. Sean. 22 May 11, 9:50 PM 581-429-952 CA, 13 mths I read the thread title and I went looking for the site I found a while ago and this is the link, http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/help-wanted-ser... just thought I would post it and see what other ppl, masters, slaves think of it, any and all feed back is welcome thanks in advance. I serve with no regrets, I obey with love, I take punishments with no sound 22 May 11, 9:58 PM Malkinius US(IL), 5 yrs Greetings..... 581-429-952 wrote: I read the thread title and I went looking for the site I found a while ago and this is the link, http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/help-wanted-ser... just thought I would post it and see what other ppl, masters, slaves think of it, any and all feed back is welcome thanks in advance. I think that is a SecondLife form and the auctions are pretend auctions on SecondLife. We have been talking about the real thing here, not online play. Be well.... Malkinius