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	TSR : Web boards : O&P : "Confused" 1 2 3 4 Confused (32) This post is on the O&P web board. Mon 18 Oct 10, 5:29 AM 983-993-228 21 mths i am really confused. it seems that lately i have been reading a lot about how slaves (property) are not important, that its all about what the Dommes or Doms want. Last time i checked though, if it was not for there be people that are willing to be property, there would be no Owners. So would it actually hurt Anyone if every now and then the slave be appreciated for the gift that it has given. After all it is not always easy living with a Domme and a Dom who both have pomped up attitudes. Sorry, noone died and left their Godship to any mortal i know. ps this is for discusion purposes. i am just trying to get a better attitude. since my Son was born, i really need to get a better attitude. Edited Mon 18 Oct 10, 5:33 AM by 983-993-228 18 Oct 10, 5:45 AM stella_rose US(OR), 20 mths i agree with you (take a look at my post last night on another thread). The OP tried saying that they have no worth or value and blah blah blah. What freakin dom that's worth anything would want that? Come on subs/slaves. Hold your damn head up and be proud of who you are! You don't have to be a cocky little bitch (not calling anyone out - just a saying) to show you have self confidence. You can exude it through your actions. Be proud of who you are. Be proud to serve your Doms. The more pride you have in yoru position, the more pride your Doms will have in you AND your actions are a reflection of them. If you walk around saying you have no worth, you are saying your Dom doesn't either. *leaving soap box now... :D 18 Oct 10, 5:51 AM 983-993-228 21 mths stella_rose wrote: i agree with you (take a look at my post last night on another thread). The OP tried saying that they have no worth or value and blah blah blah. What freakin dom that's worth anything would want that? Come on subs/slaves. Hold your damn head up and be proud of who you are! You don't have to be a cocky little bitch (not calling anyone out - just a saying) to show you have self confidence. You can exude it through your actions. Be proud of who you are. Be proud to serve your Doms. The more pride you have in yoru position, the more pride your Doms will have in you AND your actions are a reflection of them. If you walk around saying you have no worth, you are saying your Dom doesn't either. *leaving soap box now... :D thank you, my thoughts exactly. i am proud to serve my Mistress. for me it is a privilidge that i could not fathom living without. i also taking pride in having given birth to Little Master. Once He comes home, i will love raising Him to be the One He was meant to be. to say i am worthless would be counter-productive in my eyesight. of course my Mistress probably would not agree, but She trusts that i will not write anything that She will not approve either. i love being trusted. 18 Oct 10, 5:57 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs One is as important as the other. Without any sort of submission, where would the D be? Without some type of dominance, there would be a lot of frustrated s types. As far as attitudes, I personally believe that the better the communication and understanding in a relationship, the better the attitudes on both sides, regardless of the dynamic. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 18 Oct 10, 6:02 AM Malkinius US(IL), 5 yrs Greetings..... 983-993-228 wrote: Confused i am really confused. it seems that lately i have been reading a lot about how slaves (property) are not important, that its all about what the Dommes or Doms want. Last time i checked though, if it was not for there be people that are willing to be property, there would be no Owners. So would it actually hurt Anyone if every now and then the slave be appreciated for the gift that it has given. After all it is not always easy living with a Domme and a Dom who both have pomped up attitudes. Sorry, noone died and left their Godship to any mortal i know. ps this is for discusion purposes. i am just trying to get a better attitude. since my Son was born, i really need to get a better attitude. You are confusing a sub with a slave. Many so called slaves are really subs with titles. You are correct, you can not be a Master or an Owner without someone to own. However, once you own something, it is yours. Once a gift is given, it is the property of the recipient. In other words, it is their's to do with as they please. For a slave, the focus must always be foremost on the pleasure, wants and needs of their owner. It really is about what the owner wants, nothing more, nothing less. Anything else is not slavery. Now, that doesn't mean that the owner doesn't care for or pay attention to the needs and even the wants of the slave. They should and do do so. However, except for the true needs (see Maslow) everything else is secondary to what their owner wants. Your last two sentences are pure sub attitude. There is nothing slave like in them. Subs are still their own person. They submit as they choose and to whom and how they choose. A slave submits. Period. That is the defining difference between the two. When you become a parent, as you just have, your priorities and attitudes change. Your focus now must be on the infant you bore and their care and well being. They are your priority and owners can take you away from that. When that happens, you have a dissonance you have to resolve. If you can't you will have problems. You seem to be having those problems. This is why you are having them. Be well..... Malkinius 18 Oct 10, 6:04 AM bastets_daughter 2 yrs 983-993-228 wrote: Confused i am really confused. it seems that lately i have been reading a lot about how slaves (property) are not important, that its all about what the Dommes or Doms want. Last time i checked though, if it was not for there be people that are willing to be property, there would be no Owners. So would it actually hurt Anyone if every now and then the slave be appreciated for the gift that it has given. After all it is not always easy living with a Domme and a Dom who both have pomped up attitudes. Sorry, noone died and left their Godship to any mortal i know. ps this is for discusion purposes. i am just trying to get a better attitude. since my Son was born, i really need to get a better attitude. i know how you feel OP - i get frustrated with that sort of thing to. But, i was never the sort of girl who actually gets off on misery or dehumanisation. Im a person, and i like who i am - and my Master likes who i am, too. I dont need to lick his boots every two seconds, and he doesnt expect me to kneel every time i entered the room (that gets a bit impractical tbh). *cough cough* slaves are humans too. *waits nervously to get shot down by the M/s police* 18 Oct 10, 6:20 AM 983-993-228 21 mths bastets_daughter wrote: *waits nervously to get shot down by the M/s police* you are not the only one worried. if my Mistress was told about this posting She would be mad. i am just lucky She does not read this sight, and up til now noone has asked me for Her info. i guess i take pleasure in pushing the limits a little. 18 Oct 10, 12:57 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs bastets_daughter wrote: *waits nervously to get shot down by the M/s police* i feel your pain, Every time i post i expect to be shot down by the safety police. As property, i can assure you, i still have wants. The difference is that i don't act on them, unless MacCain allows it. Kinda makes it all the sweeter when he does. Like posting here, MacCain decided i shouldn't post here for more than a year. i wanted too, but i didn't until he said i could post again. As for worth, i know i'm pretty special MacCain wouldn't want me if i wasn't. i derive pleasure from serving him. That's what i need, everything else that he allows me is the icing. Congratulations on having the little master. i gave MacCain his son last October, and i can say from experience it took some time for my hormonal attitude to settle down. Luckily for me, MacCain was more interested in having a healthy son, than my attitude at the time. Now that the little bruiser is a robust and hearty toddler, i'm not given the allowances i had a year ago. Things do go back to normal. p 18 Oct 10, 4:39 PM Lord_Uther UK, 6 yrs bastets_daughter wrote: i know how you feel OP - i get frustrated with that sort of thing to. But, i was never the sort of girl who actually gets off on misery or dehumanisation. Im a person, and i like who i am - and my Master likes who i am, too. I dont need to lick his boots every two seconds, and he doesnt expect me to kneel every time i entered the room (that gets a bit impractical tbh). *cough cough* slaves are humans too. *waits nervously to get shot down by the M/s police* To be honest I have never understood those that wish to be dehumanised, constantly told there're a piece of shit, or whatever, and I agree slaves are human too. Don't get me wrong I do love to give out a bit of humiliation, public or otherwise, but for me (and hopefully the slave) it's for the kicks not to destroy the ego. Let me explain it this way awhile back I borrowed another's slave and he was quite into the humiliation thing so I slapped him about a bit, told him what a vile piece of scum he was blah blah blah all the while he had a massive smile on his face and we had a great night of hot, violent sex. Whereas those that want this sort of abuse because they feel they don't deserve any better completely mystify me. As I say on my profile I want a slave who is proud to be at my side, as I am proud to have him there. My name is Lord Uther, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair! 18 Oct 10, 4:50 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! 983-993-228 wrote: it seems that lately i have been reading a lot about how slaves (property) are not important, that its all about what the Dommes or Doms want. I'm not sure anyone other than fantasists are saying that slaves' wants should never be indulged, as a matter of policy. However, you are posting this on the O&P web board, and the Manifesto which defines O&P says: O&P Manifesto wrote: Central to O&P is the concept of Possession ... This is asymmetric and unequal in status. While the submissive is in the dominant's possession they are fundamentally there for the dominant, obeying the dominant, and subject to the dominant's decisions. The dominant is the submissive's superior, just as an employer is their servant's superior. So here at least, what D- and s-types want is not equally important. 983-993-228 wrote: if it was not for there be people that are willing to be property, there would be no Owners Who do you think would blink first, owners or property? :T: www.tanos.org.uk O&P: Possession. Ownership. Consent. Responsibility. Respect. House. Service. Dignity. Authenticity. Rituals. 18 Oct 10, 5:00 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs Tanos wrote: 983-993-228 wrote: if it was not for there be people that are willing to be property, there would be no Owners Who do you think would blink first, owners or property? :T: Great point!! 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown Next page