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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Being loved...and being owned?" 1 2 Being loved...and being owned? (19) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 10 Oct 10, 6:38 PM 375-295-503 UK, 2 yrs I don't think there has to be love within the M/s dynamic. My Master does not love me - but then again, He does not love anyone. He believes love is a transient emotion, whereas loyalty is the greatest prize and one that He gives in return. I on the other hand love, adore and respect my Master with all that I am, and as a slave who could never have this much devotion for anyone else; believe that without feeling the emotion of love so strongly, would not be the slave that I am. 10 Oct 10, 7:18 PM DaS_13 US, 4 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: DaS_13 wrote: You love and trust your Dom enough to totally own you - heart, mind, body and soul. And they show their love because they don't do anything to harm you. Although i can appreciate this point, i'd like to add, i show devotion by accepting any harm i'm given. The loving, gentle notions i hear about on TSR are not my experience. MacCain is cruel- he gets a kick out of terrifying me. That said, i'm proud to be the one he throws around. There are moments i love him, moments i hate him and moments i feel a whole range of emotions that are not necessarily related to love at all- but i always am devoted to MacCain. i don't believe love is even necessary so long as there is respect. p Ah, I think I was misunderstood! Trust me, I hurt my girl. I love hurting her, I love knowing she has enough trust and respect in me to let me hurt her. I love that she is mine to do with what I please. I meant "harm" as in I would never put her life in danger. Or abuse you. Owner of 465-186-919. My beautiful wife and slave <3 10 Oct 10, 10:40 PM 610-217-666 US(CA), 20 mths Master_Of_U wrote: To give oneself freely without question and asking for nothing in return is in itself a definition of love is it not? interesting, yes...thank you. 10 Oct 10, 10:49 PM 610-217-666 US(CA), 20 mths property_of_MacCain wrote: DaS_13 wrote: You love and trust your Dom enough to totally own you - heart, mind, body and soul. And they show their love because they don't do anything to harm you. Although i can appreciate this point, i'd like to add, i show devotion by accepting any harm i'm given. The loving, gentle notions i hear about on TSR are not my experience. MacCain is cruel- he gets a kick out of terrifying me. That said, i'm proud to be the one he throws around. There are moments i love him, moments i hate him and moments i feel a whole range of emotions that are not necessarily related to love at all- but i always am devoted to MacCain. i don't believe love is even necessary so long as there is respect. p So many honest answers...wow. Thank you to all that have posted and are following this thread. 11 Oct 10, 2:22 PM karmakitten US(WI), 20 mths Y! I have had Masters who did not believe in loving their slaves in the past. I thought that sort of M/s relationship was fulfilling on all counts...till...I met the one Master who I truly love and who truly loves me. Now I can say that the power exchange is SO much more intense, the trust is so much more intense, all feelings really are so much more intense and fulfilling with love to guide a M/s relationship! I love Master with all that I am and all that I'll ever be. He loves me immensely. Because of that the trust is stronger, the communication is stronger, the whole foundation of our relationship is stronger. Love adds SO much to a M/s relationship in my humble opinion. And it makes things a lot more endearing during the vanilla times too. I give love in a M/s relationship two thumbs up, and I'll never go back to the old way again. MastrJ45's slave, karmakitten 11 Oct 10, 2:54 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs karmakitten wrote: I have had Masters who did not believe in loving their slaves in the past. I thought that sort of M/s relationship was fulfilling on all counts...till...I met the one Master who I truly love and who truly loves me. Now I can say that the power exchange is SO much more intense, the trust is so much more intense, all feelings really are so much more intense and fulfilling with love to guide a M/s relationship! I love Master with all that I am and all that I'll ever be. He loves me immensely. Because of that the trust is stronger, the communication is stronger, the whole foundation of our relationship is stronger. Love adds SO much to a M/s relationship in my humble opinion. And it makes things a lot more endearing during the vanilla times too. I give love in a M/s relationship two thumbs up, and I'll never go back to the old way again. i'm happy for you, but may i ask how long you've been in a M/s relationship with your M? Your profile states you were collared in August of this year. Could it be the rose colored glasses you are wearing are because of novelty? The initial rush of a new relationship is awesome- whether it is vanilla or M/s. Those feelings of immense emotion do help with initial bonding, but what happens when they wear off? Will you leave to find the next rush? Or will you stay because of the bonds not built on that feeling, but built on the foundation of communication and trust? i hope for the sake of your relationship (which sounds wonderful,i might add... i'm not knocking it) you stay. Time does change things, and if you want any relationship to last you need more than goo-goo eyes for each other. p 11 Oct 10, 8:53 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: The initial rush of a new relationship is awesome- whether it is vanilla or M/s. Those feelings of immense emotion do help with initial bonding, but what happens when they wear off? Will you leave to find the next rush? Or will you stay because of the bonds not built on that feeling, but built on the foundation of communication and trust? i hope for the sake of your relationship (which sounds wonderful,i might add... i'm not knocking it) you stay. Time does change things, and if you want any relationship to last you need more than goo-goo eyes for each other. p Oh my, this is so true!! Master and I do love each other dearly, he is my world and I can't see that ever changing. I will say with some certainty though, there are times I drive him absolutely bonkers. Of course I don't mean to... but there are those times. Ok, and yeah, I admit, there are times I may get a tiny bit frustrated too. lol That's where the foundation of communication and trust does play a large part in our relationship. We work through things, take the good with the not so good (there just isn't anything you could call bad), learn when needed, enjoy each other and happily continue on with our life together. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 12 Oct 10, 1:17 AM 912-343-063 US, 19 mths O/our M/s relationship is one born first of Friendship, then love, then lovers, then M/s. Neither of U/us knew that was what W/we wanted before W/we met each other, but W/we grew into it together. He was not a “Master” before i asked Him to own me. i just knew i wanted whatever He wanted in life and i wanted to serve Him in anyway possible. i was overwhelmed and truly honored when He accepted the challenge. So, for me being "owned" by someone I didn't already love with all that is me is a concept I cannot fathom. All my soul follows You, love encircles You and I live in being Yours. -- Robert Browning Edited 12 Oct 10, 1:18 AM by 912-343-063 13 Oct 10, 3:13 PM 163-388-042 US(CT), 19 mths I think being owned and loved for me are two sides of the same coin. If I didn't love my master I wouldn't have given myself to him, mind, body and soul. It took a lot of trust for me to have in him to give my safety over to him,and to build up any kind of relationship trust is needed. I couldn't just give my body over to anyone in the past relationships, there didn't seem to be that deep urge to just be theirs. With my master now that's all I feel, from the moment I wake up till the time I go to sleep. Even tho master may do things that may hurt me I trust in him to know when its enough,I love my master and I love being owned.