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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Masters, may i trouble You for one more..." 1 2 Masters, may i trouble You for one more... (19) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 30 Jul 10, 12:11 AM 898-443-818 US, 5 yrs <Life's not too short to answer, you just don't want to answer. If you post a question, or seek help, neither can be given without details. > i don't see that every single detail of a particular situation needs to be disclosed. It seems like a simple enough question that she asked, imho. And i think the answers have been straightforward & honest provided the information given. 898-443-818 i am a slave-i have no rights, no safewords, i do not say "no" to my Master. i do not have "limits". i have entered into consensual slavery, so that may help explain the views in my post. 30 Jul 10, 1:06 AM MeluthTur US(TN), 6 yrs £ Y! I understand your question but the answer will always change according to Master/Mistress. I am very tolerent with slaves and do My allowances while under My care. Once a decision is made to release one do to repeated major or minor disobediences, there will be no return to My care. They have had their Master's retraining to learn from. I will always draw the lines of compliance, not a slave who more often than not tried to move the line. Respectfully MeluthTur 30 Jul 10, 1:38 AM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs Naughty... Given your history with your previous Master, I can understand your desire to want to show your previous Master how much you have changed. And, you have tremendously, it is reflected in the wisdom and compassion of your posts. You are at that stage of your transformation where you might be wanting recognition from your former Master that all was not in vein and you can show that you understand your mistakes and have learned from them. Regardles of what has passed between you, huge personal growth has taken place. I also suspect there may be regret that the understanding was not there sooner and that the relationship had to end as a result... if only you had fully understood the consequences of your actions then. Hindsight is 20/20... learn from your mistakes and move on. If you are still emotionally attached to your former Master, ask if he will meet with you to have a closure session. Discuss all that needs to be discussed with the understanding that you will be moving on. Make your apologies for bad behaviour, be forgiven and then move on. As long as you are emotionally attached to your former Master, you are living in the past. You need to be present in your life, in the here and now, and move forward. You can do this Naughty, look how far you have come already... a few more steps and you will be ready for your next Master. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair Edited 30 Jul 10, 1:39 AM by pet_ka_MJ 30 Jul 10, 1:46 AM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs pet_ka_MJ wrote: Naughty... Given your history with your previous Master, I can understand your desire to want to show your previous Master how much you have changed. And, you have tremendously, it is reflected in the wisdom and compassion of your posts. You are at that stage of your transformation where you might be wanting recognition from your former Master that all was not in vein and you can show that you understand your mistakes and have learned from them. Regardles of what has passed between you, huge personal growth has taken place. I also suspect there may be regret that the understanding was not there sooner and that the relationship had to end as a result... if only you had fully understood the consequences of your actions then. Hindsight is 20/20... learn from your mistakes and move on. If you are still emotionally attached to your former Master, ask if he will meet with you to have a closure session. Discuss all that needs to be discussed with the understanding that you will be moving on. Make your apologies for bad behaviour, be forgiven and then move on. As long as you are emotionally attached to your former Master, you are living in the past. You need to be present in your life, in the here and now, and move forward. You can do this Naughty, look how far you have come already... a few more steps and you will be ready for your next Master. oh my how you can bring me to tears...smiles...thank you so much. you are always so very kind to me.its coming on a year since i met him and its a very emotional time for me.i thank you, you always give such wonderful advice... Take care, naughty 30 Jul 10, 2:10 AM Will_Anderegg US(CO), 22 mths Y! I agree with most of the other posters on this. To me the Master/slave relationship is as deep and as meaningful as a husband/wife one. Anything that would result in a breakup of that relationship is not likely to be forgiven. I hold the same view even on less committed relationships, such as girlfriend/boyfriend and sub/dom. I don't enter into or end relationships lightly. 30 Jul 10, 12:21 PM 978-291-889 2 yrs NaughtySlave wrote: Masters, may i trouble You for one more... my question is this...if You had released a slave for disrespect and poor behavior,and she worked very hard and changed these behaviors.Would You ever give her consideration again? I cannot answer from a Master's perspective, but i can answer from my own experiences. I have done some fairly *horrific things* in the past, one which could have possibly brought about my release. However, my Master looked beyond my behaviour, saw that i had unmet needs and gaps in training and we are working through these. It is a very long process as trust has been damaged. I think, and it is just my opinion, it depends how much worth an Owner puts on his/her property and how much time is invested in training.... we had come a long way from the early days when i committed the sins. I learned a lot about Master's tolerance, patience, love for me and also about my own needs, capabilities and stregths/weaknesses as a slave. Without wanting to sound like i am belittling your relationship, training or feelings towards your previous master (please believe i'm not), but from what i remember and have read, the relationship was only 'brief'. That is not to say it wasnt intense, meaningful or powerful. I have read your pain since you parted ways and the know depth of M/s D/s relationships cannot be measured against vanilla. I have no way of truely understanding your feelings and know some of the most intense, beautiful, wonderful relationships can be so very brief. Due to the time span of your relationship, it is possible that the bond and training needed to overcome and work through your mistakes was simply not there. Maybe you were just incompatible in ways that nobody could see. From my own experience, i think (just my opinion, after all i dont know you personally or your previous master) that he possibly couldnt identify what YOU needed... or what HE needed for that matter... and maybe you couldnt either. Needs are hard to fathom.... they can't be met when we dont know what they are. If there was an unmet need, chances are there will remain unmet needs if he were to take you back. He may not have grown as much as you have. Remember, you deserve the best. You have come so far naughty, it has been such a difficult path for you, but you're still standing and you are gaining stregth and personal knowledge every day... keep going!!! I am a firm believer that people come into our lives for a purpose - and they enter our lives and stay for a reason, a season or a lifetime. From what i have read, your previous master came to you for a reason and a season... hold onto the reason, take your lessons and like the seasons, keep moving forward. Stay strong naughty. The cuffs and ropes might have to be removed in the morning... but the bonds of love stretch as far as 2 people can roam. Edited 30 Jul 10, 10:34 PM by 978-291-889 30 Jul 10, 1:26 PM DarkSado 4 yrs Yes absolutely, BUT, I would have to agree with what Lord Uther has said regarding the terms of consideration. She would have to work twice as hard and twice as long to prove that she has changed. DarkSado 30 Jul 10, 5:32 PM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs 978-291-889 wrote: NaughtySlave wrote: Masters, may i trouble You for one more... my question is this...if You had released a slave for disrespect and poor behavior,and she worked very hard and changed these behaviors.Would You ever give her consideration again? I cannot answer from a Master's perspective, but i can answer from my own experiences. I have done some fairly *horrific things* in the past, one which could have possibly brought about my release. At the time, i genuinely feared i would be (and believed i deserved it) However, my Master looked beyond my behaviour, saw that i had unmet needs and gaps in training and we are working through these. It is a very long process as trust has been damaged. I think, and it is just my opinion, it depends how much worth an Owner puts on his/her property and how much time is invested in training.... we had come a long way from the early days when i committed the sins (so def shouldnt have happened, but hey, i'm human - you live and learn). I learned a lot about Master's tolerance, patience, love for me and also about my own needs, capabilities and stregths/weaknesses as a slave. Without wanting to sound like i am belittling your relationship, training or feelings towards your previous master (please believe i'm not), but from what i remember and have read, the relationship was only 'brief'. That is not to say it wasnt intense, meaningful or powerful. I have read your pain since you parted ways and the know depth of M/s D/s relationships cannot be measured against vanilla. I have no way of truely understanding your feelings and know some of the most intense, beautiful, wonderful relationships can be so very brief. Due to the time span of your relationship, it is possible that the bond and training needed to overcome and work through your mistakes was simply not there. Maybe you were just incompatible in ways that nobody could see. From my own experience, i think (just my opinion, after all i dont know you personally or your previous master) that he possibly couldnt identify what YOU needed... or what HE needed for that matter... and maybe you couldnt either. Needs are hard to fathom.... they can't be met when we dont know what they are. If there was an unmet need, chances are there will remain unmet needs if he were to take you back. He may not have grown as much as you have. Remember, you deserve the best. You have come so far naughty, it has been such a difficult path for you, but you're still standing and you are gaining stregth and personal knowledge every day... keep going!!! I am a firm believer that people come into our lives for a purpose - and they enter our lives and stay for a reason, a season or a lifetime. From what i have read, your previous master came to you for a reason and a season... hold onto the reason, take your lessons and like the seasons, keep moving forward. Stay strong naughty. thank you,your Master sounds very kind. Cherish the forgiveness in Him..sighs...i do appreciate all your kind words.thanks again.. Take care, naughty 30 Jul 10, 5:50 PM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs curious_bina wrote: NaughtySlave wrote: lifes to short for me to go into details...just asking to see if Masters ever change their minds when a slave is willing to and has proven to work her ass off to correct bad behavior.Of course every Master is very different and has His own unique ways and skills. i do understand that, just curious to how They feel about giving second chances.As far as the slave is concerned, its worth ever min of work and every change that has been made..smiles... Life's not too short to answer, you just don't want to answer. If you post a question, or seek help, neither can be given without details. Details can make all the difference. If you really hurt your previous Master this much, how would you ever hold your head up high in his collar again? This slave thinks it would be best to move on. And, if this slave were a Master (definitely not ) she agrees with Sir Aldric, Sir Strict, and Sir Seven. If a slave were to do so badly, with chances given, why would she ever want them back? She's like this with friends. 3 strikes you're out. It may seem cruel . . . but maybe there was a reason and you just didn't mesh? -Bina My dear Bina, sometimes a question is just a question. this post was not meant to become answers for my situation.i simply enjoy the opinions of Masters. my perfect day would be to sit on the floor next to a round table and listen to Masters discuss topics.i didnt imagine that this post would take on a life of its own and become about me. i do appreciate the time that everyone has put into answering this question(Thank You), but again it was simply a topic to see Their reactions.As far as the the last part of your post...sweety, life isnt always so black and white.Things happen, people make mistakes...its how we handle them that make us who we are.i myself am a very forgiving person and always try to see beyond the black and white to see good in everyone.That doesnt work for everyone its just how i am. Take care, naughty