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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Masters,may i ask a question please.." 1 2 3 4 Masters,may i ask a question please.. (39) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 29 Jul 10, 1:16 AM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs 929-526-985 wrote: Dear Naughty, i know you directed the question towards Masters, but i thought i might give some words of wisdom. my Master and i have been as such for almost two years now, and i have to say that it goes swimmingly. i, however, had previous training before i met my Master. i was trained in normal commands and actions so that when i finally met my Master, He would not have to deal with small details. This was what He wanted, however. And i will say that it did make things much easier for me, as well as Him. i listened better, and noticed any mistakes i might have made and was quickly able to correct them. This does not mean that i did not continued my training once with my Master, but W/we did not waste time with simple things; it was time for more specific commands, ones my Master wanted especially for Him. So it really does depend on the Master, but i though my personal story might help. Hope it helps a lot! Good luck! Ignis Divine Castitatis Lilium thank you, it does help. i was thinking it would be easier for me to learn bigger steps. having learned the basics and what is expected, kind of like a slave"boot camp" if you will. thanks again... Take care, naughty 29 Jul 10, 2:13 AM RoseThorn US(LA), 22 mths Y! Once a Master decides what He wants, i'm sure He will relay that to you. After all, communication is key. Without a Master though, i would not fret over the details of such. Just be sure to act as a slave should and He will convey the rest of what He wants. And you'll pick up on that. Anyhow, i'm glad whatever information i could give helped. If you need anything else, just ask, okay? 29 Jul 10, 4:46 PM TheConstantGardener US(MD), 2 yrs Alrighty, I'm back to revisit this topic. After some thought my opinion was slightly altered but firstly..... Thank you to pookie for taking my words into consideration and I am happy they have helped you in some way no matter how great or small. And on to the reason I am posting again. Essentially, I stand by that there really is little to no difference in an untrained slave and a trained slave. They both have their preconceived ideas of what a slave is. One constructed by their imagination and second hand knowledge. The other by experience under the guidance of a Master. But there is that one advantage a trained slave does have. And one that makes me shy away from inexperienced slaves at times. And that's depth of clarity. And by that I mean the knowledge of how deep their submissive nature is. Sad to say but one's desire to be submissive does not always equal one's ability to be submissive. I've run into my fair share of subs that swore up and down how much they wanted to be submissive and genuinely believed that's what they wanted. But when the time came to put that desire into practice they found out submission was not what they thought it was. With an experienced slave they at least have some idea of how submissive they can be. Its like looking at two bodies of water. An experience slave tends to have 'clearer' water so you can get an idea of how deep it is. An inexperienced slave the water is murky and you don't know if its 1ft deep or 100ft. So as romantic as the idea of a 'blank canvas' is, its not perfect. I think a lot of people look at it and see all the positive possibilities and tend to neglect there are just as many..if not more negative possibilities as well. Either way one is not better than the other. Just some can be put off by the 'unknown limitations' of an inexperienced slave. Some might feel an experienced slave's training would be in conflict with what they want to do. An inexperienced Master would prefer one over the other. Simply because they are inexperienced in overcoming the hurdles that come with their unprefered choice. And experienced Master knows that slaves, like people, are not given value solely on the sum of their experience but also the nature of their character. 29 Jul 10, 5:18 PM RoseThorn US(LA), 22 mths Y! Cherisher wrote: Alrighty, I'm back to revisit this topic. After some thought my opinion was slightly altered but firstly..... Thank you to pookie for taking my words into consideration and I am happy they have helped you in some way no matter how great or small. And on to the reason I am posting again. Essentially, I stand by that there really is little to no difference in an untrained slave and a trained slave. They both have their preconceived ideas of what a slave is. One constructed by their imagination and second hand knowledge. The other by experience under the guidance of a Master. But there is that one advantage a trained slave does have. And one that makes me shy away from inexperienced slaves at times. And that's depth of clarity. And by that I mean the knowledge of how deep their submissive nature is. Sad to say but one's desire to be submissive does not always equal one's ability to be submissive. I've run into my fair share of subs that swore up and down how much they wanted to be submissive and genuinely believed that's what they wanted. But when the time came to put that desire into practice they found out submission was not what they thought it was. With an experienced slave they at least have some idea of how submissive they can be. Its like looking at two bodies of water. An experience slave tends to have 'clearer' water so you can get an idea of how deep it is. An inexperienced slave the water is murky and you don't know if its 1ft deep or 100ft. So as romantic as the idea of a 'blank canvas' is, its not perfect. I think a lot of people look at it and see all the positive possibilities and tend to neglect there are just as many..if not more negative possibilities as well. Either way one is not better than the other. Just some can be put off by the 'unknown limitations' of an inexperienced slave. Some might feel an experienced slave's training would be in conflict with what they want to do. An inexperienced Master would prefer one over the other. Simply because they are inexperienced in overcoming the hurdles that come with their unprefered choice. And experienced Master knows that slaves, like people, are not given value solely on the sum of their experience but also the nature of their character. Your insight on the subject of this has certainly made it clearer. i have also met slaves who thought true submission was simply something to play around with, but in reality, meant actual submission. Some slaves just aren't ready for that first off, which is why it does matter what the Master wants, and how patient He is when it comes to training a brand new, untrained slave. 29 Jul 10, 7:09 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs NaughtySlave wrote: Masters,may i ask a question please.. Would a Master prefer a sub/slave with basic training or to "mold" a new one to be exactly what they are looking for? Would the new one provide better excitement then the trained because she provides more challenges? Which is more appealing a clean canvas or one with the skyline already painted? This slave's Master enjoys that she's new. At the point that she was first with him she only knew the basics of the lifestyle, and nothing about Gor. So it's a lot of work for him. He says he likes it. There's a lot of firsts for us to share together, and it means a lot to her. She doesn't think that there's a point-blank preference because it wouldn't be logical. Just because a slave is knowledgable and has had previous training it doesn't make things any easier. Every Master has their preferences and different tastes, and his slave will have to learn that. She would still have to go through -his- training and -his- molding to learn how -he- likes things. Not just Masters in general, or how a previous Master wanted things. If a slave had a previous owner it might even be hard to break through habits. Maybe enjoyable and maybe not. Technically any slave newly owned would be (hopefully ) excited about her new training, new Master, and learning his likes/dislikes. In Bina's opinion it would be very alike, except that the slave pre-trained would know all of the basic definitions, and have at least ideas of what a Master would mean when he defines what he wants. -Bina Always the curious one ~ His bina 11 Aug 10, 3:47 PM Alex6666 US(TX), 2 yrs Being much older and having less time and patience than I once had. In other words an old master set in his ways, I prefer some skyline to start with. I do not have time to raise children again, I desire one that knows and is happy with her choice and lifestyle already. I am sure you will get just as many different answers as masters that visit you. Master Alex 14 Aug 10, 9:56 AM MasterAirevale 22 mths I have enjoyed this post very much, Without wanting to repeat what has already been said. May I as a way of thanks, give proper credit to some of the points made by other contributors to this post who I felt expressed my own thoughts better than I could have said them myself. My thoughts align particularly with Cherisher, both posts actually, but I thought the water metaphor in the revisted post has certainly been true in my own experience. Sir Aldric I appreciated because personality does make a huge difference and MarqKDsade who mentioned the time aspect. In my life there have been one ot two relationships that were incredibly special and because we both realised we had something rare, we both took more time. As Master IanNZ suggested we also were prepared to persevere when there were conflicts of thought, perseverance is important. Valhalla and others have said too that no-one really is a blank canvas we are all to some degree 'shaped' before we enter a relationship. My own words on this would be...Training somebody new with no experience would be a very long term comittment. New inexperinced slaves need lots of time to learn, reflect, re-align and progress. I once had a slave who was almost too eager, hungry and willing to try anything. I resisted the temptation to rush, (and boy I was tempted!) in order to make sure foundations were established and the relationship had solid structure and continuity and didn't just exist on a roller coaster of intensity and adrenaline, fatigue and frustration. Another un-trained slave I had was quite the opposite, there were historical issues from her upbringing which made her very uncomfortable about being fully naked in front of me. This was not difficult to overcome but again it took time. It is (at least for me) a great priviledge to see a person develop and overcome barriers. Slave training (again for me) is a nurturing process. If it is rushed or 'pushed' through impatience or frustration I have found all that happens is training stalls because you lose connection. I have also found brand new slaves do not always undertsand that they have a responsibility to work into the training. They had a mindset which believed they were the slave, I was the Master and all they had to do was obey, everything else was down to me. Which led to a certain amount of confusion and blame directed at me for everything that wasn't perfect in their new life. Of course I take responsibility but they also have a duty. This wasn't the case with a slave I knew who had quite a degree of experience. She knew she was involved in the success of the relationship and worked hard from day one to correct any behaviour which I either did not feel was appropriate or neccesary in our new relationship and things moved more easily and quickly. I think (once again this is only my personal opinion) that it is about chemistry or compatibility if there is this at the outset, then there is every chance for success. I am a Master who enjoys the personality of my slave and I do not see them as meat or chattels. I tried that once and felt quite lonely like living with a human robot or animal. If this is your thing I am not knocking it. I am only saying for me I like the interaction and company of a unique person who I cherish and delight in who is also my slave. Not sure I have really contributed anything here but I am new to this forum and learning the ropes. (exscuse the pun) 18 Aug 10, 5:34 AM MSilas US(VA), 21 mths Y! I personally have no preference, and do not see many differences between a trained and untrained slave,as both are mold-able. The only real difference is a trained slave knows what to expect and knows the lifestyle. A untrained slave my have read some and have a small idea of the lifestyle, but chances are they really do not know the whole picture. So more compassion and patience I feel is required to train a untrained slave. I like training new slaves into the lifestyle, as all it takes is one poser Master to screw up thinking they know it all and scare the slave away from the lifestyle and imprinting a bad image of it. 18 Aug 10, 10:02 AM CraigDMCdom UK, 3 yrs Y! IMHO.. as every Master is different, a slave that has been trained still has to learn the new Master. So, while prior training is not worthless, she is almost as blank a canvas as a total new girl. It is for the Master to decide how much of the training should be carried forward... Just remember slaves.. the last thing a Master wants to hear is "but Master A liked it this way...", your duty is to find out how your new Master likes it.. (whisky neat, coffee milk one sugar)