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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Masters,may i ask a question please.." 1 2 3 4 Masters,may i ask a question please.. (39) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 19 Jul 10, 7:20 AM pookie 8 yrs Y! Cherisher wrote: Clay does not shape clay. Its not a slaves place to alter or shape their behavior. By neglecting to share or 'undoing' their training on their own. They do something a slave shouldn't do to a Master and that is taking away the power of choice. Their previous training might be something a Master can build on and if not a Master can sculpt away the behavior to their liking. This is something that I've never even considered before, but it makes so much sense! Before I was collared by my Master I'd never been owned before, but I had been in D/s relationships, so I had some definite ideas about what being a slave meant. Unfortunately, those ideas were not the same as my Master's, but thanks to your post I now think I understand why He was not upset about the ideas I had that were not what He wanted from me. Having some idea of what submission was about made it easier for Him to mold me into what He wanted. He stripped away what wasn't to His liking, and added to and molded the rest into exactly what He wanted. Thank you for answering something that I've long wondered about. No woman is so free as when she is bound. Edited 19 Jul 10, 7:21 AM by pookie 19 Jul 10, 3:25 PM Beardedknight US(AR), 2 yrs Y! Captain_Jack wrote: Beardedknight wrote: If a Master is not willing to devote the time in doing this whether it a blank canvas or one already started or even previously finished is not really a Master. Your last comment was really very much in the tradition of the 'you are only a twue Master if you do XYZ', which I'd really hope we can move away from swiftly, because it's entirely pointless and unnecessary and just goads people. Your Captain Jack Captain Jack, Maybe I wrote it wrong or was just misunderstood, or you might be right. IMHO, there are a lot of different aspects to being a Master, and yes, patience is one of those aspects, and those aspects are different for each person(s). Not trying to hijack the topic of the OP, but how do you train someone if you do not have patience? With respect, Sir Tim the Beardedknight 19 Jul 10, 7:03 PM Captain_Jack 5 yrs Y! Beardedknight wrote: Not trying to hijack the topic of the OP, but how do you train someone if you do not have patience? As I wrote earlier ... Captain_Jack wrote: Patience in my opinion is a para-mount virtue for anyone involved in a power exchange relationship. Especially for the owner. ... so in essence I'm a practitioner of the patient approach myself and will have to theorise and fall back on my observations of people who happened to run things differently. I'd call it perhaps the 'constant barrage' approach. Owners who constantly hover, constantly comment, constantly criticise, constantly remind, constantly push, constantly pile up, i.e. not allowing rest or reprieve to their trainee and break her down this way. In how far it's all a method and not a reflection of natural impatience and hyper-activity may be anonye's guess, it certainly wouldn't suit me. However, I've seen it work and my original point was that lack of impatience, or pretty much any single attribute, shouldn't be used to tell someone "you don't do XYZ / don't subscribe to ABC, therefore you aren't real and you don't belong here!". It's one of the most odious behaviors in such communities, that someone declares a certain characteristic as some sort of 'must-have' and belittles others who happen to not possess it or subscribe to it. As for my own attitude... I've had good success with being observant, analytical and patient. Sometimes you have to reign them in so they don't think they can take you for a ride, but overall I find that the patient cat catches the bird. Your Captain Jack 21 Jul 10, 2:45 AM valhalla 23 mths NaughtySlave, I am sub, but have a few words that were brought to mind by your question and the replies from the Masters. No person enters a relationship a blank canvas. None.A sub/slave may have no conscious idea of what is expected of her/him or may have had no "formal" training, but life most certainly has colored their view on what they are, have to offer and wish to receive from any such relationship. If only sub(no pun intended) or un consciously. Has the sub managed to remain in a submissive position in relationships past? Has the sub been in submissive positions at work or career? How was the sub able to maintain their "subness" if called upon to behave differently? Would this difference in behavior in the vanilla world, cause difficulties when the sub now seeks to be sub in a D/s M/s union? Everything the sub/slave has lived through and processed has colored her/his view on life and will factor into their service and all that entails. This is where I believe a Master's true gifts lay. Can the Master cipher out what is present under the surface and use that to His advantage when molding the sub/slave He wants? Can the Master recognize a roadblock that will thwart His progress? Can a Master, despite a first blush of beauty, see a sub that will be a wasted effort? I suppose it is a nice thought to think of a sub/slave as a blank canvas, but ultimately, she or he is already a work of art in progress. How that Master chooses to finish that work and make it His own, is the challenge (imho)..............v 21 Jul 10, 3:37 AM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs valhalla wrote: NaughtySlave, I am sub, but have a few words that were brought to mind by your question and the replies from the Masters. No person enters a relationship a blank canvas. None.A sub/slave may have no conscious idea of what is expected of her/him or may have had no "formal" training, but life most certainly has colored their view on what they are, have to offer and wish to receive from any such relationship. If only sub(no pun intended) or un consciously. Has the sub managed to remain in a submissive position in relationships past? Has the sub been in submissive positions at work or career? How was the sub able to maintain their "subness" if called upon to behave differently? Would this difference in behavior in the vanilla world, cause difficulties when the sub now seeks to be sub in a D/s M/s union? Everything the sub/slave has lived through and processed has colored her/his view on life and will factor into their service and all that entails. This is where I believe a Master's true gifts lay. Can the Master cipher out what is present under the surface and use that to His advantage when molding the sub/slave He wants? Can the Master recognize a roadblock that will thwart His progress? Can a Master, despite a first blush of beauty, see a sub that will be a wasted effort? I suppose it is a nice thought to think of a sub/slave as a blank canvas, but ultimately, she or he is already a work of art in progress. How that Master chooses to finish that work and make it His own, is the challenge (imho)..............v i agree with that, but i meant actual training from a Master or never been trained. Everyone is trained from life and they are shaped and molded from lifes lessons. i just wondered if it would bother a Master to take over and add His ways and training or would He prefer to create the slave He was looking for with someone never influenced before. thank you though i do enjoy hearing from others on their opinion... Take care, naughty 21 Jul 10, 11:48 AM Master_Graves UK, 22 mths I think there is great rewards in both and I am happy with either. 28 Jul 10, 5:09 PM 725-955-453 US(TN), 2 yrs A Master always prefers an untraind sub/slave to mold into his own, simply bc he does not have to retrain his sub/slave.... Master Nick 28 Jul 10, 5:14 PM 725-955-453 US(TN), 2 yrs however a true Master will take the time to retrain, in time the Master will grow a deep sense of admeration once its acomplished....Master Nick 28 Jul 10, 5:20 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs Although not a Master, I personally think it depends on the s type that the D chooses as his/hers. You could meet someone, find an attraction or a bond, decide you want to persue something. Would it really matter then, if they had experience in the lifestyle or not? I mean, if you start any new relationship,in any lifestyle, would you make your partners coffee the way your ex liked it or would you find out how your new partner prefers it? Would you go ahead and plan activities based on interests your past D enjoyed or find out what different activities interest your new or potenial D? Just like learning the layout and tasks in a new job or new car, or house or a million other things, aren't we all always learning anew? Just saying..... 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown Edited 28 Jul 10, 5:29 PM by 333-528-841 28 Jul 10, 9:02 PM RoseThorn US(LA), 22 mths Y! Dear Naughty, i know you directed the question towards Masters, but i thought i might give some words of wisdom. my Master and i have been as such for almost two years now, and i have to say that it goes swimmingly. i, however, had previous training before i met my Master. i was trained in normal commands and actions so that when i finally met my Master, He would not have to deal with small details. This was what He wanted, however. And i will say that it did make things much easier for me, as well as Him. i listened better, and noticed any mistakes i might have made and was quickly able to correct them. This does not mean that i did not continued my training once with my Master, but W/we did not waste time with simple things; it was time for more specific commands, ones my Master wanted especially for Him. So it really does depend on the Master, but i though my personal story might help. Hope it helps a lot! Good luck! Ignis Divine Castitatis Lilium Next page