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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "So this is completely legal?" 1 2 So this is completely legal? (17) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 30 Jun 10, 10:07 PM 978-291-889 2 yrs I wrote a very long reply that my computer decided to eat...and now i cant remember how i worded it! so i'll try again! If a Master/Mistress does His/Her job properly (depending on end goal) a slave should become internally enslaved.. thus meaning they have no desire to leave. CONSENT is the key - a slave consents to serve and surrender, an Owner consents to train and take care of the slave. If everything goes to plan there should never be a problem... any issues that do arise - and they will (we're all human remember ) communication is the way forward, not brute force. I used to want to be owned legally by Master (and a part of me still does) but i know that the bonds that hold us together, the invisible thread between us, is stronger than any shackle could ever be. If enslavement takes place properly, a Master could leave their slave in the house, doors unlocked, no chains, car full of petrol and give the slave his/her passport along with tickets to the slaves dream destination - i would guess 99.9% of slaves (or more) wouldnt go without their Master by their side. If i truely wanted to leave, i think my Master would let me - simply because we both know it is not something i would ask for lightly. He would try resolve the problem definitely, but He would never want me to be unhappy... It would have to be epic for me to even contemplate asking for release. jeremyn97541 wrote: If so then awesome because I want to make sure I have no way out. Can somebody inform me about this? Slavery is very real and not to be taken lightly. Only your Master can decide if you 'have a way out', but not in the sense of kidnap and holding against your will. The cuffs and ropes might have to be removed in the morning... but the bonds of love stretch as far as 2 people can roam. 30 Jun 10, 10:47 PM thegildedlili 3 yrs You have pretty much said what I was thinking. It does sound to me like the OP is looking for a "quick fix", which doesn't surprise me in this society which places a lot of importance on instant gratification. Better to put in the hard yards and build an unbreakable bond than trying to put an artificial one in place, especially one that has no legal value anyway. As Sir Aldric said, the "fantasy" of non-consensual slavery will likely wear off, but IE is something that has the potential to withstand the more challenging aspects of M/s. People also seem to place less value on comittment these days, and I think that's something that is essential in any M/s relationship, on both sides, and far more important than "force". If I had to be "forced" to stay with someone, I'd be seriously questioning my place at their feet. i have no need, for such things, but to make you happy... Josh Pyke 1 Jul 10, 11:47 AM relaxed1 UK, 2 yrs The legality of the Master/slave relationship is irrelevant. If the slave wants to walk, she will. She isn't kept there by any kind of legal obligation, but by the bond between her and her Master. Being a slave is a state of mind, and for a slave to ask for release is not a decision she will take lightly. It's the reason why O&P is probably a better description of the type of relationship, not because it is fundamentally different, rather that the concept of an M/s relationship is so widely misunderstood, and even abused, that it needs different terminology to clarify it. 1 Jul 10, 6:40 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs sanjana wrote: hello my name is Sanjana ( age 23, unmarried ) and my id is sanjanabutty@gmail.com, i wish to make myself a slave and get treated badly like a slut, please can someone make me a slave, Thanks Once again... Do not post personal ads to the web boards! I do not know if you missed the above line, yet again, when you posted this response, but please do not use the Board to post your ad. There is a section specifically for personal ads. By the way, what kind of impression do you think you are making to a potential Master by not following this simple rule of posting here? With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 6 Jul 10, 5:30 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs This slave doesn't think you can make it legal. You can write up a contract, and supposedly get a bdsm lawyer for it. Not sure though. Everyone has the right to leave a relationship, especially if it gets bad, that's one right you'll always retain no matter how no-limits one is. It's only logical to retain that right. -s Always the curious one ~ s 7 Jul 10, 9:17 AM imdmb7 US(NY), 2 yrs Y! just gonna chime in with a quick fact, not only is this not a legal thing but if youre caught and charged its a federal offence to have slaves (remember that whole civil war thing?) so if you are going to own slaves you cant take any risks, just a few hours ago i found out a potential slave of mine had what he called a "devious streak" (or somthing along those lines, i might have to reedit again later) i realised that he posed a huge risk of fleeing and getting found by the cops without any real reason, just for somthing for him to do, he is now no longer under consideration edited to add what i think its supposed to be, but its hard to remember Edited 7 Jul 10, 3:29 PM by imdmb7 13 Jul 10, 11:46 PM valhalla 23 mths Jeremyn, I think and I may be wrong, and if so please forgive and indulge me,but I believe you are thinking or feeling the romantic side of what would be the totally owned and possessed state of a sub/slave. Odd to use the word romantic I am sure, but it is true. If we look at modern examples in the media given to us of woman (I have never seen one with a man)that are totally owned and possessed, we do not see pleasure or happiness. Bassinger's character Michel Duval in No Mercy with Gere is entirely owned by Losado, who has kept her for years against her will. He has even kept her illiterate. She risks and contends with the death of a clandestine boyfriend to escape Losado. Nowhere is Michel ever shown as having the least bit of pleasure, happiness or contentment at the hands of her captor/owner. In Sleeping with the Enemy, Julia Roberts's character Laura Burney is terrified of her husband Martin, a man for all intents and purposes her owner because of his complete control over her life. Faking her own death to escape his control and abuse, she risks everything to be free. Neither of these movies gives us a view of a consensual non consent to being held captive. The real world does not allow for such a thing legally. These movies portray, as does the nightly news, the very real presence of possession, ownership and the abuse that goes along with "real, true, emotional and physical bondage" suffered by women the world over, and maybe (I have no way of knowing) some men. To have the one who holds the power and authority over you tell you, "If you leave me, I will find you and hurt/punish/kill you" or "Don't ever think about running away, because I will hunt you down and take all that is important to you away from you", is horrifying. When we think of historical Slavery, we see humans that once caught after running , subjected to terrible treatment even unto the loss of their lives. This is a debilitating scene for the owned to try to live with and in. It does not offer growth or fulfillment in the service of the Owner/Master. It is meant to destroy a Spirit, not nurture one. What you relate or think on I believe is one I can certainly imagine, the idea of, for instance as a woman, being kidnapped by Pirates (lol) and held and ravished nightly on the Seven Seas (snicker,,I have had that thought a thousand times..heheheh,,,) It surely is not likely to happen and if done in real life would actually be upsetting. Pirates are smelly, the food is bad, there are no showers and if you can't handle the ocean your S**t out of luck (lol). So we are left with the idea, that we WANT to be able to not get away, but in truth must always accept and acknowledge, we HAVE to have some avenue of escape, if only for safeties sake. We WANT to be completely and utterly possessed and owned, but HAVE to live with the knowledge it can not ever truly, legally be so. Thanks for giving me something to talk about and a reason to think of my pirate fantasy... *lol*................v Edited 14 Jul 10, 12:27 AM by valhalla