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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "So this is completely legal?" 1 2 So this is completely legal? (17) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board (moved from Internal Enslavement). Tue 29 Jun 10, 1:01 AM 647-051-141 19 mths A master has the right to restrain the slave from leaving them? They legally belong to the master? Well I guess if the slave can't leave, it's not like authorities will find out, but still. The master can't get in trouble. If so then awesome because I want to make sure I have no way out. Can somebody inform me about this? 29 Jun 10, 1:19 AM Sprite US(OH), 2 yrs This girl has not heard of anything that really legally binds an s to their M. The contracts between the two aren't even truly legal by law. -Master's pet Always- 29 Jun 10, 1:20 AM slave_of_The_Tesh US(FL), 2 yrs Technically speaking, no. A master does not legally own a slave, even with a contract, because slavery is illegal in most countries - to the point where it's prosecuted if the authorities know about it and there are charges pressed. Human trafficking and all that. If you want to make sure you have no way "out," as you put it, you're just going to have to remember that you're collared to your owner and you cannot leave without his/her permission. His Beloved Owned and loved by The_Tesh This post has probably been edited for spelling/grammar because I'm weird like that. 29 Jun 10, 1:42 AM Remoses US(PA), 6 yrs jeremyn97541 wrote: So this is completely legal? A master has the right to restrain the slave from leaving them? They legally belong to the master? Well I guess if the slave can't leave, it's not like authorities will find out, but still. The master can't get in trouble. If so then awesome because I want to make sure I have no way out. Can somebody inform me about this? Well, for one thing, there is no agreement or contract that may exist between and Owner and slave that will stand any legal test. If a slave is kept against the will of the slave, that is something that the Owner could get in trouble for. That is known as kidnapping. But look, for an Owner to run afoul of the law for keeping His slave? That scenario is unlikely in the extreme. I mean, if a slave is confined or bound so as not to escape, is that really necessary? It's more for the effect and not to physically restrain someone against her will. This is all about consensual slavery, remember. So no contract between a slave and Owner will withstand any legal challenge...we all know that. The contract, if there is one, is between two consenting adults...you make of it what you will. If a slave is kept locked up, that is by the choice of the slave and its Owner. BTW, I like the idea of keeping a slave in bondage, but that is just Me. C'ya! I am Remoses. Just because it's inconvenient, doesn't mean it's not required. Quod principi placet legis habet vigorem (The pleasure of the prince has the force of law.) **Pronounce it: Ray-mosay.** 29 Jun 10, 4:12 AM 755-730-648 US(MO), 20 mths The only legal way to be Owned, and is irreversible, is to have slave declare its self legally incompetant, and sign over guardianship papers to its Owner. This is not easy or cheap, but is very legal and binding till the death of the slave or Owner 29 Jun 10, 5:13 AM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs jeremyn97541 wrote: So this is completely legal? A master has the right to restrain the slave from leaving them? They legally belong to the master? Well I guess if the slave can't leave, it's not like authorities will find out, but still. The master can't get in trouble. If so then awesome because I want to make sure I have no way out. Can somebody inform me about this? Short and sweet answer to both your questions is NO and NO. And, if you are there against your will, your Master will be in trouble with the criminal law as mentioned by Remoses. It is forceable confinement and kidnap at the very least, and probably a number of other charges, such as assault and or sexual assault depending on the circumstances in which you are found. And, regardless of what rights you cede voluntarily to your Master, you are never without those rights. So, while you may choose not to exercise them within your relationship, they just may be exercised on your behalf by an external agency whether you want them to be or not. A written contract, while outlining expectations within a Master/slave relationship between the consenting partners, has no force or effect in law. There is always the fantasy aspect to our lifestyle, and then there is the reality. If you are on the wrong side of reality, it really sucks. Case in point, read story of Sir John on O&P board, in thread on Consent started by Tanos. If you would like an update of Sir John's case, let me know because believe me it has not gotten any better. And, Sir John's relationship involved consent between the two partners. Just imagine where he would be if the relationship was deemed non-consensual. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 29 Jun 10, 10:01 AM Captain_Jack 5 yrs Y! 755-730-648 wrote: The only legal way to be Owned, and is irreversible, is to have slave declare its self legally incompetant, and sign over guardianship papers to its Owner. This is not easy or cheap, but is very legal and binding till the death of the slave or Owner In theory, sure. Are we aware of anyone who actually has gone through this for this very purpose? Your Captain Jack 29 Jun 10, 12:45 PM 258-321-589 US, 4 yrs If you are able to declare yourself legally incompetant than any judge, lawyer, court worth their salt would dismiss the claim as it is inane considering most individuals who are deemed incompetant by the courts are usually not within a frame of mind to know they are. Why would one want to place themselves in a situation where harm may be incurred without any security in place. If there is within your heart the desire and fortitude than to be held without basically against your will endangers not only you but your Master/Mistress as well. my body, my mind, my soul given to be nourished and to feed Master David of AZ's hunger and desire 29 Jun 10, 7:43 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs Captain_Jack wrote: 755-730-648 wrote: The only legal way to be Owned, and is irreversible, is to have slave declare its self legally incompetant, and sign over guardianship papers to its Owner. This is not easy or cheap, but is very legal and binding till the death of the slave or Owner In theory, sure. Are we aware of anyone who actually has gone through this for this very purpose? Your Captain Jack This topic has been discussed under O&P Board - Promises vs Legally With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 30 Jun 10, 9:24 AM masterfiremaam US(WV), 5 yrs Actual "real" slavery, as in the human trafficking type, is illegal in almost all countries. It does, however, still exist in almost all countries. For more info, check out: http://www.antislavery.org/english/ Master Fire **The power of who we are can be intoxicating.** **The power of who we could be is humbling.** **Yet, we are assured we are exactly as we should be.** 30 Jun 10, 11:34 AM Sir_Aldric 4 yrs jeremyn97541 wrote: If so then awesome because I want to make sure I have no way out. Maybe it sounds 'awesome', but what happens after some time when the kinky trill is over and you want to quit? If a Master says 'no' and keeps you locked it is kidnapping against your wishes then he will go to jail for that. The 'kinky play' suddenly becomes torture etc. More jail for the Master. But if he says 'ok' instead, then the initially 'no way out' was a joke from the start. You see, people change, circumstances change. Reality is that there is no legal protection, both can get in severe legal problems. Police investigations can get triggered by both a disappointed Master/slave, or by people looking from a distance. You don't want to get involved in those investigations or even face jail. Sir Aldric Relax, life is too short to get upset. Next page