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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "BiPolar slaves & subspace" BiPolar slaves & subspace (10) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board (moved from Internal Enslavement). Sun 30 May 10, 11:59 PM LadyEquinoxMoon US(ID), 2 yrs I read the other thread on BiPolarism with great interest and have a question for others with the condition. My property tells me that subspace is one of the few things that can pull him back from the lack of control that a manic episode brings. That when he returns to "reality" he's more in control and feels ready to continue on a more even keel. his daughter, also a bottom and BiPolar, relays the same information, that sometimes she asks her Dom to just spank her because she cannot regain the control she desires without it. Although my man is on medication, his daughter says she is able to cope without meds as long as she gets regular spankings. The question, therefore, is do other slaves/subs/possessions experience the same relief from a manic phase with the application of pain and achieving subspace? Thank you in advance for your responses. Owner/Dom of hand_puppet. When I was a kid, I never saw a puppet show. I never played with puppets or had any interest in them. ~ Jim Henson 31 May 10, 12:06 AM Liulfr 2 yrs I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and yes, I do find discipline to have quite the calming effect on me when I do feel manic. 31 May 10, 12:20 AM 898-443-818 US, 5 yrs i hope it's OK i answer even though i have not been diagnosed with anything. i can get overwhelmed, thoroughly, with life, working for Master (very high standards), stress in general. Nothing focuses me, calms me, and takes me to a more serene, place than some pain & humiliation. It's like pushing my reset button. It reminds me what really matters. But more than that, it is a physiological reaction i believe. The stress and angst i may be feeling is "handle-able" after that. 898-443-818 31 May 10, 2:30 AM BunnySlave 4 yrs I too have been diagnosed as Bipolar and can't agree more with what everyone else is saying. There is something about having a good session with pain to bring everything back into reality and control. For me, being able to give up control and let go allows me to return more focused and more powerful. It's hard to describe and probably even harder for people to understand but after giving up and letting go of the control I have more strength. When my world seems to be falling apart, I know I'm in a manic mode and a good sound beating is one of the best medicines for me. Yes I'm on medication but there will always be manic periods. 31 May 10, 5:45 AM HisDirtyLiLWhore US(OK), 2 yrs Y! I have never been diagnosed w/ anything of the sorts; however, I do know that being who I am in the lifestyle that I live w/ my Master that it grounds me, if that makes any sense @ all ... Beforehand, I used to be out of control -- never knowing which way I was coming or going -- had no way of balancing my day to day life ... total wreck (or @ least that's how I felt) .... I could see how being bipolar and being dominated -- structured in that sense, would help manage the disorder. Good posting, HDLW 31 May 10, 8:00 PM NippleRings UK, 2 yrs It sounds to me from the limited information given that the described instances are just a form of drug addiction! (And I'm not saying that in a nasty way) Subspace induced by pain is classed from excess chemicals released into the body (Endorphins) However; Endorphins are one of the closest substances to Morphine of which is used for pain relief. However; no matter weather you accidently drop something on your toe, do extensive exercise, or participate in kinky sex play. Endorphins will be released into ones body's. And if excess amounts of Endorphins build up you will most likely end up on a high of which people tend to like. But just the same as some people eating chocolate become addicted to a chemical with in it, the high that comes form the endorphins becomes an addiction. And with some people they wanting moor and moor to get that ultimate high; or sub space! That fact that the endorphins released into the body due to the body receiving pain is just one reason that some depressed people inflict self-harming. They may cut their self's in order to receive pain. The pain releases the endorphins into there body's; and they feel much better. Not good for the reason they have done it. But you can understand the concept of how it seems to work. So yes; I would say people with the condition BiPolar do feel good after dropping down from the Subspace. To where the chemical balance are just above normal limits. It sounds good to me. My concern is other medication taken at the same time! You really need to discuss the issues with a doctor first to find out if there are any unforeseen dangers to having excess amounts of endorphins with in ones body's while that person takes their particular medication! 1 Jun 10, 6:16 AM LadyEquinoxMoon US(ID), 2 yrs I welcome all comments, whether by those who have been diagnosed BiPolar or by those that love or have had experiences with those who were diagnosed. Thank you to those who've already commented. @NippleRings Although well meaning, I'm not certain that warning people in this lifestyle who are on medication to see their doctor before engaging in play is helpful. I don't think most of us would wish our doctors to know the kind of play in which we engage. Nor do I think they would understand the relationship of subspace to endorphins, epinephrine, & enkephalins, to name a few of the hormones and chemicals believed to be involved, to the medications they prescribe. Unless a person has been warned to avoid sex, orgasm or exercise, I don't believe they should be concerned that subspace will somehow harm them in some unforeseen manner. Of course, this is just my opinion, I could be wrong. Owner/Dom of hand_puppet. When I was a kid, I never saw a puppet show. I never played with puppets or had any interest in them. ~ Jim Henson 2 Jun 10, 11:20 AM masterfiremaam US(WV), 5 yrs We feel this goes beyond role and more into "receiver of sensation" such that Master, slave, Dom or sub have no bearing on the situation. When We are manic, having Our boyfriend restrain Us with bondage or mummification is comforting and centering. Pain can also do this as it is a total focus of energy and it seems to "burn through" the excess crap that mania brings. The flip side is often true, too. When depressed, really good rough sex with Our boyfriend helps a great deal. The endorphins from pain can also aid in lifting spirits. All in all, the chemical reactions of the body to sex and SM can help stabilize Our bipolar shifts. This isn't to say that SM is a cure... but it can certainly be seen, in Our opinion, as a coping technique. Our slave is also bipolar and finds the same sentiments to be true. Master Fire **The power of who we are can be intoxicating.** **The power of who we could be is humbling.** **Yet, we are assured we are exactly as we should be.** 18 Jul 10, 7:10 PM 840-566-008 US(MS), 4 yrs I agree with everyone. But we are all different and I dont for say have any physical or mental problems. I agree that the best rush is subspace. I look at it like this it isnt illegal, it isnt bothering anyone else, so who cares. As long as people are able to lead a so called normal life what does matter( meaning like a job and paying bills). Also if it is helping people live a better life let them have it. 25 Jul 10, 10:44 PM MeluthTur US(TN), 6 yrs £ Y! I have trained far more than My share of bi-polar slaves. The original comment is very true for most bi-polar slaves. The only other comment I will make is please do not allow this to change in anyway his/her medication timetable. Care should always be taken with subspace as there is a chemical reaction involved and should be considered, but not in the sense that it has in anyway altered the way the meds should be taken. Always check with a doctor for med changes, believe Me they have heard it all so fessing up about the lifestyle is no big deal,,,,,,REALLY! Respectfully, MeluthTur 29 Jul 10, 10:11 AM julie_sewell UK, 24 mths Y! LadyEquinoxMoon wrote: BiPolar slaves & subspace I read the other thread on BiPolarism with great interest and have a question for others with the condition. My property tells me that subspace is one of the few things that can pull him back from the lack of control that a manic episode brings. That when he returns to "reality" he's more in control and feels ready to continue on a more even keel. his daughter, also a bottom and BiPolar, relays the same information, that sometimes she asks her Dom to just spank her because she cannot regain the control she desires without it. Although my man is on medication, his daughter says she is able to cope without meds as long as she gets regular spankings. The question, therefore, is do other slaves/subs/possessions experience the same relief from a manic phase with the application of pain and achieving subspace? Thank you in advance for your responses. Interesting post, am just piecing together some 'patterns' i have noted over the years, and am starting to believe im bi-polar, and discussing the possibilty of such with my doctor I am new to the BDSM arena, but have been 'drawn to it' for as long as i can remember, im now more 'centered' about being TG, and this allows me some 'freedom to explore' all things BDSM I was 'encouraged' to 'dip my toes in the water' recently at a venue, and was lightly spanked, it was life changing to say the least, and for a few days after i felt 'me' for the first time in ages So i will continue to 'look in' / keep tabs on this as it is 'significant' to me Thank you for raising the point