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	TSR : Web boards : O&P : "trust" 1 2 3 trust (30) This post is on the O&P web board. Sat 22 May 10, 8:27 AM charlotte AU, 2 yrs im not sure where this belongs, but im after advise, i am a new slave in training, owned and collared, i questioned my Master, on where He was, things didnt add up and i asked for prove with a photo by txt of Him and where He is, He says i will b punished but i need to know if He is honest with me, i hav not recieved this photo as yet, it has been hours, is this something a slave in training or any slave would ask from Master, hav i dun the wrong thing, thank u/U for any advise, 22 May 10, 8:52 AM Master_IanNZ NZ, 2 yrs charlotte wrote: trust im not sure where this belongs, but im after advise, i am a new slave in training, owned and collared, i questioned my Master, on where He was, things didnt add up and i asked for prove with a photo by txt of Him and where He is, He says i will b punished but i need to know if He is honest with me, i hav not recieved this photo as yet, it has been hours, is this something a slave in training or any slave would ask from Master, hav i dun the wrong thing, thank u/U for any advise, slave, what is unclear is whether you are living with your Master (or not). Reading between the lines, it would seem that perhaps you aren't. If you are moving into a new Master/slave situation, then in my view it is Ok for you to have (and expect) some level of certainty that any potential Master is who they say they are (and where they say they are), before you make any significant decision to commit. If, on the other hand, you are living with your Master (eg you've already given yourself to him, and have made a move to be with him) then that is likely a very different story. In the latter case, in my view, what your Master does is up to him (so long as that doesn't cross any hard limits previously established). Master Ian 22 May 10, 9:05 AM charlotte AU, 2 yrs Master_IanNZ wrote: charlotte wrote: trust im not sure where this belongs, but im after advise, i am a new slave in training, owned and collared, i questioned my Master, on where He was, things didnt add up and i asked for prove with a photo by txt of Him and where He is, He says i will b punished but i need to know if He is honest with me, i hav not recieved this photo as yet, it has been hours, is this something a slave in training or any slave would ask from Master, hav i dun the wrong thing, thank u/U for any advise, slave, what is unclear is whether you are living with your Master (or not). Reading between the lines, it would seem that perhaps you aren't. If you are moving into a new Master/slave situation, then in my view it is Ok for you to have (and expect) some level of certainty that any potential Master is who they say they are (and where they say they are), before you make any significant decision to commit. If, on the other hand, you are living with your Master (eg you've already given yourself to him, and have made a move to be with him) then that is likely a very different story. In the latter case, in my view, what your Master does is up to him (so long as that doesn't cross any hard limits previously established). Master Ian i thank U Master Ian for Your reply, no i do not live with my Master, but i do believ trust and honesty is important, i hav had to make changes and decisions so that i can committ my self to my Master, but i also need to know that He is the Master i am seeking,, again i thank U 22 May 10, 9:51 AM Sir_Aldric 5 yrs charlotte wrote: trust im not sure where this belongs, but im after advise, i am a new slave in training, owned and collared, i questioned my Master, on where He was, things didnt add up and i asked for prove with a photo by txt of Him and where He is, He says i will b punished but i need to know if He is honest with me, i hav not recieved this photo as yet, it has been hours, is this something a slave in training or any slave would ask from Master, hav i dun the wrong thing, thank u/U for any advise, Without the slightest doubt: you have all rights to ask. Any Master who gets such a request should first question himself: what did I do wrong myself which did put my slave in a situation were she starts questioning my honesty and integrity? To me it would seem that the simple fact of getting such a request is an indication you did not do well as a Master, because in the end as a Master it is your responsibility to anticipate what goes on in (the start of) a relation. Punishing a slave for asking something like that only reflects bad upon the Master, because it is the easy way out of a problem you as Master most probably caused yourself. Some slaves are desperate to have a Master, but never except a Master that doesn't deserve you. As always, to my personal opinion, Sir Aldric Relax, life is too short to get upset. 22 May 10, 1:42 PM charlotte AU, 2 yrs Thank U Sir Aldric for Your reply, i understand wot U r saying, it has helped me to understand things, while i do want to be collared and it was fast, i am not going into this relationship with my eyes closed, i am not desperate, and i defintly want it to work, once again i thank You, i am charlotte, slave in training 22 May 10, 2:09 PM SirSeven 3 yrs Sir_Aldric wrote: Without the slightest doubt: you have all rights to ask. Any Master who gets such a request should first question himself: what did I do wrong myself which did put my slave in a situation were she starts questioning my honesty and integrity? To me it would seem that the simple fact of getting such a request is an indication you did not do well as a Master, because in the end as a Master it is your responsibility to anticipate what goes on in (the start of) a relation. Punishing a slave for asking something like that only reflects bad upon the Master, because it is the easy way out of a problem you as Master most probably caused yourself. Some slaves are desperate to have a Master, but never except a Master that doesn't deserve you. As always, to my personal opinion, Sir Aldric I don't subscribe to this "it's always master's fault" line of thinking. Certainly most things are the responsibility of the D/O/M but when it comes to peoples' emotions and insecurities then things can get tricky. Yes, the D/O/M should always behave in an honorable fashion and with integrity. Yet some people will still feel jealous/insecure/whatever all on their own regardless of how the other person behaves. In these cases it is their responsibilty to question why they feel a certain way and to take steps to understand and work through their fears. The D/O/M can and should help the sub/slave with this process but it takes effort from both sides, not just the D/O/M. Personally, I would question why someone would have a D/O/M whom they did not already trust implicitly ... but that's another discussion. Regards, Sir Seven 22 May 10, 2:28 PM charlotte AU, 2 yrs SirSeven wrote: Sir_Aldric wrote: Without the slightest doubt: you have all rights to ask. Any Master who gets such a request should first question himself: what did I do wrong myself which did put my slave in a situation were she starts questioning my honesty and integrity? To me it would seem that the simple fact of getting such a request is an indication you did not do well as a Master, because in the end as a Master it is your responsibility to anticipate what goes on in (the start of) a relation. Punishing a slave for asking something like that only reflects bad upon the Master, because it is the easy way out of a problem you as Master most probably caused yourself. Some slaves are desperate to have a Master, but never except a Master that doesn't deserve you. As always, to my personal opinion, Sir Aldric I don't subscribe to this "it's always master's fault" line of thinking. Certainly most things are the responsibility of the D/O/M but when it comes to peoples' emotions and insecurities then things can get tricky. Yes, the D/O/M should always behave in an honorable fashion and with integrity. Yet some people will still feel jealous/insecure/whatever all on their own regardless of how the other person behaves. In these cases it is their responsibilty to question why they feel a certain way and to take steps to understand and work through their fears. The D/O/M can and should help the sub/slave with this process but it takes effort from both sides, not just the D/O/M. Personally, I would question why someone would have a D/O/M whom they did not already trust implicitly ... but that's another discussion. Regards, Sir Seven Thank You Sir Seven for Your comment, i do trust Him, He has given me no reason not to, it is all my insecurities, and these r things that i need to deal with, work through my fears, and i know my Master will help me, i thank everyone for T/their thoughts and views, 22 May 10, 3:22 PM Sir_Aldric 5 yrs SirSeven wrote: I don't subscribe to this "it's always master's fault" line of thinking. That is a quite negative simplification of what I wrote above. It seems you missed my point. When it comes to making "faults" statistically both carry a certain percentage of being wrong. The chance that one is 100% wrong and the other one is 100% right is close to zero. That by itself makes a line "it's always blabla's fault" incorrect per definition. That general rule of human behavior goes for vanilla as well as D/s and M/s relations. However I hope you will agree that the set-up in M/s is somewhat different as with vanilla. By the nature of M/s the Master has a lot of power and that power brings a high level of responsibility (and that is what I indicated in my above post). Ok, maybe some slaves will say: I feel responsible as well. Ok, fine by me, BUT no matter how a slave thinks or feels about this responsibility, it is my a personal opinion that a Master should FEEL highly responsible for whatever happens in the relation anyway. If something goes wrong (as stated my above post) look at your own Master responsibility first. To my opinion that is a very healthy approach for a Master if you want to go for a long term stable M/s relation. I don't subscribe to this "looking away for your own responsibility as a Master" line of thinking. That's the easy way out; not the way of a Master as I personally feel a Master should be & act. As always, to my humble opinion, Sir Aldric Relax, life is too short to get upset. 22 May 10, 6:49 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs I have a couple of questions you may want to ask yourself. Why do you have a need to know where your Master is? Did you have a preset time to meet and he didn't show? Did he break a promise to do something? If this is the case, then yes, I think you have a right to ask where he is. Not being reliable makes it difficult for your trust in him to grow and will could make you question if he will be reliable in other areas of your relationship. If you just want to know where he is because you just want to know, well, really, it's up to him if he wants to tell you. Sometimes I will text Master to say "What you doing?", not because I have to know, but merely because I am interested or if I know he may be able to pick something up we need. If he tells me he is with girl #2, I say, "cool, have fun". There is no girl #2,3 or 4, it's a standing joke with us, but it's his choice to tell me or not. If you have a general issue with trusting your Master, you may want to sit down with him and have a frank, open discussion. You might want to let him know what you feel and why, so the two of you can work through it. I personally feel it's wrong of your Master to say you will be punished for asking. You cannot force someone to trust. It needs to be built over time. On the other hand, if this has happened before, your Master may feel your mistrust is irrational and may be more of a jealousy or control issue, rather than you not trusting him. Have you thought that maybe he hasn't sent the picture to show you your place as his slave? All the best to you. 333-528-841 Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not, Remember that what you now have, was once among the things you only hoped for. ~Epicurus~ (greek philosopher, BC 341-270) 22 May 10, 10:06 PM GerardVanDam NL, 4 yrs charlotte wrote: trust im not sure where this belongs, but im after advise, i am a new slave in training, owned and collared, i questioned my Master, on where He was, things didnt add up and i asked for prove with a photo by txt of Him and where He is, He says i will b punished but i need to know if He is honest with me, i hav not recieved this photo as yet, it has been hours, is this something a slave in training or any slave would ask from Master, hav i dun the wrong thing, thank u/U for any advise, (my emphasis) This feels like a very bad case of a slave trying to controll her Master. If there is a good reason to ask where he is, I have no problem with it. For example: if this Master is just unusually late, it is nothing unusual to ask why he is late or even where he is. But in this case asking for proof is ridiculous. If there is no such reason (say, it is not unusual for him to be late due to his job), I think this Master may well have a very good reason to punish. Certainly, "hours" sounds like a short time. "Asking proof"? Maybe you just asked. And your Master did not oblige. It certainly feels as though you should not have "asked". And certainly you can not expect him to just instantaneously do what you "ask". In my opinion this should not be tolerated. Not even in vanilla relationships. It happens all the time, though. If people start a relationship, the first thing they do is trying to controll, to put limitations to the lives of their partners. In my opinion they should try to be good additions. I may very well be wrong. After all we have only the words of Charlotte and not those of her Master. English is not my first language. Please be aware that for many here it is difficult to express their feelings. If I make mistakes, please tell me. 22 May 10, 11:30 PM charlotte AU, 2 yrs ok, i will explain briefly wot my problem was, Master is working up north, bout 8 hours from me, He had to go somewhere which would take bout 20hours drive leaving at 1am friday morning and drive back to b at work for monday, i couldnt understand how it could b done, that was the only reason why i had asked for the photo, He did send me 2 of the name of a town He was at, but i asked for a photo of Him in the town, and that is charlottes story, Next page