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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Questions about IE" 1 2 Questions about IE (15) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Thu 13 May 10, 2:24 AM 201-997-618 3 yrs whenever i read about IE here i can empathize with so much of it but generally it always seems to be referring to 24/7 live-in situations so i'm asking these questions to try and gain some perspective as it relates to me personally is it possible to become internally enslaved in a 'primarily' platonic M/s dynamic? what would be some basic signs for one to know they have become internally enslaved? is it also possible in LD relationships of this kind or even online relationships? thank you in advance for any responses 13 May 10, 5:02 AM Bella_Ragazza US(RI), 6 yrs I think I will have a go at trying to get my opinion across and maybe help you out some. Hopefully someone might be able to do better then me. for the fist question, I would say yes. Since I don't think that IE is based on sexual aspects of the relationship, though they can help. I think it has more to do with the level of trust and openness is involved. You have to be able to give yourself over mind, body, heart and soul to the person who owns you without hesitation, complete trust. for the second question, I think that one is a little harder to answer, for me anyway. Even thinking about being away form my Master for a long period of time can make me feel anxious and worrisome, I could not imagine having to be released. I really don't know what I would do with myself. I believe the time where it really hit me, that I have been Internally Enslaved, was when I was ordered to do something I didn't want to do. ( it was something silly) My brain was tying to say no to my body, but my body didn't listen and I carried out the order. It was the best feeling in the world and the scariest at the same time. Though I think the signs may be different for everyone, except maybe the thought of being released, and what goes with that thought. For LD and online relationships, I would say no it couldn't be possible, at least for me. I believe face to face interaction needs to take place in order to gain the level of trust needed to obtain IE. Also I think a lot if time needs to be set aside to building that trust and just learning the ins and outs of each other, mentally and emotionally. I also believe a lot of communication goes on through body language and you may not want to share a intimate, feeling do to embarrassment, or what have you. If you are face to face the D type will be able to see that. So you wont be able to hide, therefore said D type will be able to get farther into your head. So that is just my opinion, and it may not be this way with others. Just throwing it out there. Bella 13 May 10, 10:57 PM Sklavos_mou_Kyriah 3 yrs Same for me, bella. While it was LD it didn't really work at all. It was little more than a role-play exercise. But face to face or from my viewpoint, face to Owner's feet, it was total surrender. Now things are 24/7 I think it is IE. Let's put it this way, My Lady said she would manumit (release) me. She thought she was doing me a favour. I was devastated at the thought. That is IE as I see it. I am Sklavos tis Kyrias, Slave of My Lady. Period. To be a true slave is to be truly free Sklavos 14 May 10, 2:13 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs 201-997-618 wrote: Questions about IE is it possible to become internally enslaved in a 'primarily' platonic M/s dynamic? Yes. I.E. means to become so closely attached to someone mentally that you can't imagine them ever leaving you. It doesn't have to be romantically. Heck, it can be with a simple family relationship. As in a mother needing a daughter, or a sister needing a brother, even a friend needing a friend. I.E. is also closely linked to abusive situations. Where the abused cannot "leave" the abuser for some reason. That's I.E. as well. 201-997-618 wrote: what would be some basic signs for one to know they have become internally enslaved? If you feel deep down that you can't go on without a certain person, or it takes months or possibly years to move on, you're probably under I.E. It's a deep trauma/grief a person would go through if they were under I.E. They would also feel extremely lost without a person. In an abusive relationship, the abused who left would always feel scared, and very guilty for leaving. 201-997-618 wrote: is it also possible in LDR relationships of this kind or even online relationships? It is very possible to come under I.E. in an LDR or online relationship. If one spends a lot of time on the phone, texting, or online with someone, then they can become just as attached as if they were with that person all the time (but would be amplified when actually with the person). This slave is in an LDR and she's very attached to her Master, and if he just disappeared she would be extremely distraught for a long while. -s Always the curious one ~ s 14 May 10, 2:19 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs Bella_Ragazza wrote: For LD and online relationships, I would say no it couldn't be possible, at least for me. I believe face to face interaction needs to take place in order to gain the level of trust needed to obtain IE. Also I think a lot if time needs to be set aside to building that trust and just learning the ins and outs of each other, mentally and emotionally. I also believe a lot of communication goes on through body language and you may not want to share a intimate, feeling do to embarrassment, or what have you. If you are face to face the D type will be able to see that. So you wont be able to hide, therefore said D type will be able to get farther into your head. So that is just my opinion, and it may not be this way with others. Just throwing it out there. Bella This slave agrees with you in a way. Because this is very true for some slave-types, and even for some D/O/Ms. It really, really depends on the slave though. If a slave is an open, honest type that is *intent* to work on everything, and to not hide things from their Master, it can work. It won't be the same as face-to-face or physical, and it's very hard to work with, but I.E. is extremely possible. It just takes a lot of work, honesty, and openness from the slave. There has to be a deep desire to make it work. Especially for situations where the M/s couple *can't* be together at that moment. -s Always the curious one ~ s 14 May 10, 4:38 PM mutable 2 yrs I actually struggle with understanding IE myself. I have read Tanos's essay and other, similar threads, but I can't seem to join all the dots for that 'a ha' moment. What I have learned is that IE needs to be instigated and instilled by the D/O/M. A slave wanting/needing/feeling IE without specific input/training from the D/O/M is not IE. Perhaps it seems so, but it is more likely to be feelings of love or attachment - which it often appears to be confused for. This being the case, I would say that LDR's do not lend themselves to IE because of the lack of 'face' time and physical (not sexual) intimacy. Just my opinion though. An interesting thread Caveat : Non offensive and always learning. 'We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are' Anais Nin 14 May 10, 7:26 PM naughtyslave US, 2 yrs He and i were LDR. It has been over 2 months now since my release.luckily He checks on me.However i am just as attached as i was before and cannot seem to get over it. Not even a little bit. it is what it is. What ever you put into it whether it be real time or LDR. i still follow most of the rules thast were set for me, and still feel guilty if i dont. Take care, naughty 14 May 10, 11:06 PM SirStrict43 UK, 6 yrs mutable wrote: I actually struggle with understanding IE myself. I have read Tanos's essay and other, similar threads, but I can't seem to join all the dots for that 'a ha' moment. ~I too read Tanoss' essay on IE and being a counsellor was particularly interested in his comparison of it to Counselling. It is true there are some similarities between the two but I would imagine [although I may be gravely wrong] there are probably not many relationships that adhere to the Core Conditions of counselling [which differ little between different schools]. What started me thinking was what would happen if a Master/slave attempted to fashion their relationship more closely to the Core Conditions. For anyone curious, a brief but interesting article is linked below. http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-rogers.htm SS 15 May 10, 4:06 AM thegildedlili 3 yrs mutable wrote: What I have learned is that IE needs to be instigated and instilled by the D/O/M. A slave wanting/needing/feeling IE without specific input/training from the D/O/M is not IE. Perhaps it seems so, but it is more likely to be feelings of love or attachment - which it often appears to be confused for. This being the case, I would say that LDR's do not lend themselves to IE because of the lack of 'face' time and physical (not sexual) intimacy. Just my opinion though. This is exactly how I see it. Curious_s wrote: If you feel deep down that you can't go on without a certain person, or it takes months or possibly years to move on, you're probably under I.E. I disagree. There are other states which induce that sense of dependence on and attachment to another person, but it's not necessarily IE. As mutable said, it's not something that happens by accident, and it's not something that can be acheived in a few months either, and people who have truly been internally enslaved can vouch for that. 201-997-618 wrote: is it also possible in LDR relationships of this kind or even online relationships? Curious_s wrote: It is very possible to come under I.E. in an LDR or online relationship. If one spends a lot of time on the phone, texting, or online with someone, then they can become just as attached as if they were with that person all the time (but would be amplified when actually with the person). This slave is in an LDR and she's very attached to her Master, and if he just disappeared she would be extremely distraught for a long while. I think you'll find that opinion is divided on this, and many feel that it is not possible to acheive IE in an online or long distance relationship, no matter how much it is desired. As I said before, feeling attached to your owner, or feeling like you can't live without them, or even struggling to cope after the relationship has ended does not necessarily mean IE has taken place. I think people see IE as the ultimate goal in an M/s relationship, and it's an example of allowing labels to define a relationship which I don't believe has any benefit to those involved. i have no need, for such things, but to make you happy... Josh Pyke Edited 15 May 10, 4:07 AM by thegildedlili 15 May 10, 8:54 AM 201-997-618 3 yrs Hi and thank you all for your replies so far. Bella - thank you for sharing - i have experienced all that you describe and agree those times are the best and scariest feelings in the world at the same time Master has spent around 6 yrs getting to know me mentally and emotionally and easily picks up my body language - much to my surprise, fear and delight all at once - he can even correctly perceive my moods from text alone which i find incredible since our communication has only ever been online or by phone but i love the fact that he alone knows me so well and better than anyone. Curious - your comments go a long way to explaining my feelings and reactions at times - thank you for sharing your thoughts mutable and lili - your comments make sense also - hence my confusion and seeking opinions as to what's happened to me thank you sirstrict for the link - i look forward to reading that naughtyslave - i'm sure i would feel the same way and be the same way in your situation - thank you for commenting thank you for your input sklavos - i realize some will be of the opinion that we are no more than role playing but i'm trying to understand the changes that have occurred in me over the years - the extent of my surrender - why it seems such a full surrender in the circumstances - how Master can know my mind and emotions so fully without physical contact and how i can be so open and responsive compared to my previous way of being so closed and reactive without that physical contact we commenced our M/s journey 2 years ago and Master has certainly instigated and instilled the changes in me with very specific input and training as much as is possible in our circumstances - so this has caused me to ask myself the question if it's not IE then what is it - maybe it 'is' just attachment how do i tell the difference? 15 May 10, 7:10 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs 201-997-618 wrote: - so this has caused me to ask myself the question if it's not IE then what is it - maybe it 'is' just attachment how do i tell the difference? Well, according to @thegildedlili this slave has no clue what I.E. is. But, she knows the abusive definition. And that's extreme fear for ever trying to leave. I.E., just like all other terms, have different definitions to different people. And even though you get a variety of definitions, it is what you make it out to be. And you probably won't know you're under I.E. until after you've experienced it. Not all things are easy to describe. -s Always the curious one ~ s Next page