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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Recreational Drugs Revisted " 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Recreational Drugs Revisted (67) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 20 Jul 10, 8:40 AM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs imdmb7 wrote: ok, for a website supposedly filled with people condoning each others kinks and being welcoming you people bitch an awful lot when it comes to somthing you dont agree 100% on! i think it would be a good idea if this thread was closed down so the OP wouldent have to be ashamed at all of the bullshit people are writing in this thread. he asked for like minded people to write in this thread and for people who didnt care for it to stay away, so lets all be adults here and if you dont like somthing then just stay away! While I don't think sarcasm or insults (from either those pro or con) are helpful, I disagree that there's any policy or expectation on this site that members condone each other's kinks, or that any member is entitled to try to exclude another member's participation in a thread - based on viewpoint or any other thing. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 20 Jul 10, 8:18 PM 641-341-071 UK, 3 yrs EvaMaria wrote: 641-341-071 wrote: mamabear wrote: On another note, it is an open thread and is a very volatile subject, to expect to only recieve responses from those who agree would be a bit small minded. You can't light a fire and then hope it only burns a little....especially if its set in a forest. thats fine and a realistic attitude but there are a lot of very odd attitude expressed in this thread (the idea that MDMA/x is dangerous for example, well it probably is if you do lots and lots of it) here is a graph produced in the journal of the british medical association (The Lancet) showing the results of a study into the risks of various substances. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/th... it bears no relation to the legal restrictions surrounding these substances. I'm trying to find another one that compares deaths caused by each substance vs reports of deaths by each substance, basically everyone who dies from MDMA is reported, often quite widely and nationally, the kid who drinks themselves stupid and chokes on their own vomit *might* make the local paper. the middle aged guy who has drank himself to death, no report at all. street drugs are all very 20th century though, its all about dodgy barely known stuff from chinese labs sold legally on the internet nowadays Will you reference the article this graph came from, please? As far as I can tell, this is a comparison of physical harm and dependence occurring in several types of illicit drugs relative to each other, rather than defining any of them as safe to use. To your statement re: alcohol, I don't know if you're saying that you believe the negative opinions here are based only on media coverage of individual deaths but if you are, I disagree with you. I think most people are savvy enough to read and consider all available information. Or if your meaning is that alcohol is equally dangerous, or that *relatively speaking* its use causes more deaths than the drugs listed in the graph, I definitely disagree. I think it's unlikely that impure street drugs are mainly a problem with Chinese labs via the internet (as in unless a person obtains them this way directly, they don't need to be concerned), but I don't know that with certainty. But if you do find such information re: either idea, I would be interested in reading it. Eva while I can certainly provide you with a reference to the article Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse The Lancet, Volume 369, Issue 9566, Pages 1047-1053 D. Nutt, L. King, W. Saulsbury, C. Blakemore if you are unfamiliar with the lancet it is the pre-eminant medical journal in the UK, and has been for a couple of hundred years, to even get an article published requires the data to be subjected to rigourous debate (and if you are familiar with it, forgive me for being patronising) for you reading it may be difficult without access to a university library or networked computer. D Nutt used to chair the uk governments advisory board but resigned over political disagreements (essentially he thought that the law should more reflect medical findings than media perceptions) a number of other people on the panel resigned around easter when the government banned mephedrone - a similar but less euphoric and too speedy alternative to ecstacy after a spate of deaths linked to it, none of which turned out to have any basis in reality, and in two cases was simply the police confusing that drug with the entirely unrelated methadone. you are right, none of them are defined as 'safe' to use but there are of course degrees of risk. we can buy food riddled with trans fats and other junk and none of this is particularly 'safe' but there is no moral outrage about their prevelance in society. and are people available to asses information? absolutely. is all information equally available and equally proportioned? absolutely not. I'll make the comparison even wilder if I may - every person that dies within 12 hours of taking ecstacy is reported in the media, young ones nationally, these stories naturally play on peoples fear, but I genuinely do think exagerrate the sense of risk of taking it (dont get me wrong - ALL drugs should be treated with respect....) and very few parents would encourage their kids to take it. however. more, both numerically and proportionately die on motorbikes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motorcycle_... 5 Aug 10, 6:44 AM 514-276-417 US(MI), 22 mths girl v, I find myself agreeing with you more than I disagree with you. I don't rule out light drug use as a way to experience a "scene" more fully. In my daily life, I'm a "user" of caffeine and nicotine, from time to time I "use" alcohol in the form of red wine or in the summer when its hot I prefer gin. Very rarely, I enjoy absinthe. Not to give a run-down of my various weaknesses, but I can see how a chemical substance can complement an experience. For example, a Christmas party in my family would just not be the same if father didn't open up his cellar. I do realize that there is a scale, though. Three glasses of red wine over dinner at Christmas isn't likely to kill you or make you an addict if you only indulge a few times a year (unless you are already an alcoholic, obviously). A drop of absinthe, with stimulating intellectual chat, can be a delightful addition to what might be called "foreplay." The sensual experience that followed was lovely, but it is not something I would be interested in doing regularly. I do think, though, that sometimes substances can act as an emotional crutch. As a short-cut for intimacy or honesty, I think it's a cheat. In this girl's opinion, you aren't doing yourself any favors if you cheat yourself out of "true" intimacy by relying on substances to do the opening up for you. If one has trouble opening up or being intimate with one's lover, then there might be an underlying psychological problem that might need to be addressed. You would simply be "masking" the problem with the effects fo the drug. Also, I've seen whole relationships form around the communal use of drugs. Once those drugs are removed from the situation, these people often wonder why they once called these people friends. I would hate to see any one of us in a situation like that, where one day you "woke up" and realized that the basis for your relationship was ephemeral and built up around the eroding foundation of drugs. I'm sorry for the long post--I am very interested in this topic, especially as it concerns slaves/submissives mental health. I will perhaps post a bit more about my experience with absinthe, if anyone is interested. Y/yours, eirinn 5 Aug 10, 5:44 PM Jane_Doe 2 yrs Thank you eirinn, This slave thinks it's true, about how substances can act as an emotional crutch. A person cannot rely on drugs, eveytime they want to have a deep and meaningful conversation, and open up to their own feelings. Although it may be good for them in one sense, as they may find intimate matters difficult, it may damage them if they use substances frequently. Also as you say, it would act as a mask, disallowing them to get to the root of the problem. Previously, v witnessed many people who claimed to be this one's 'friend', but later when she recovered, and quit the drug scene, she noticed these people did not care about her, only their indulgence and themselves mattered to them. This is just her experience. Although, it is nice when you take away the drugs, and you find a few rare beauties who stick by you, and who prove to be in control of their lives, and evidently care. (Although most in that scene are out for themselves). This one is a believer in, everything in moderation, and also sometimes enjoys drinking alcohol. It's not so much the substances that are the problem, but more how we choose to use them, (of course there are always those 'freak' accidents). An occasional drink is fine, but more regularly, may cause trauma to one's mind & body. eirinn, what were your experiences with Absinthe like? This girl does not remember how she felt on it, as it was a long time ago, although she has heard it can be quite hallucinogenic. v does not really rate drugs so much anymore, (she recently stopped smoking weed as it interferes with her breathing in fitness training), and has not really done anything 'hard' in a while, (Sir does not like it, so she is trying the more spiritual approach), but she tries to keep an open mind, as she knows of people who do use them, and appear to be very happy and stable. - in this slave's opinion, v This girl has never felt such bliss, when her hands are bound above her head with her Master's eyes laid upon her Edited 5 Aug 10, 5:48 PM by Jane_Doe 5 Aug 10, 7:33 PM HouseWench 3 yrs £ I would also like to add that not everyone is into the same thing. Oftentimes, people who do drugs cultivate a friendship with people BEFORE introducing the drug. Or at least they do here, because of the risk. Similarly, since I am a consistant, but not constant user of some, I have a tendency to not keep people around if they are intolerable sober. http://wench.spookfox.net 5 Aug 10, 8:53 PM 514-276-417 US(MI), 22 mths Dear v, I pretty much adored absinthe. I adored it so much I rarely touch the stuff now! I took two green fairies one night while out in Prague. It was a lovely warm late-summer night. My husband and I were seated at an outdoor cafe--we'd just gotten out from the opera and were looking for a nice coda for the evening. I found absinthe to be slightly abstracting, but I never felt alarmed by the feeling. I am highly sensitive to changes in the way my body feels. This one cannot use weed, for example, because it makes her feel all paranoid and she does not like the way it makes her mouth and eyes feel dry. The active chemical in absinthe, though similar to weed in chemical composition, gave me a completely different feeling. A famous wit once said that "absinthe make the tart grow fonder," and I can honestly say I know what he means! The world felt a little warmer, a little more welcoming. It wasn't anything drastic, and I did not hallucinate. I think one would have to drink a LOT of absinthe to hallucinate. Maybe others on this board have used absinthe before, either in a "scene" or in the vanilla world and have hallucinated. It wouldn't surprise me if they had. This one found herself gazing thoughtfully at her husband's face for a long time. When he smiled it lit my soul up like a rocket and swelled my heart. I can't describe it better than that. The intimacy afterwards in our apartment was amazing, though not something we couldn't have achieved without the absinthe. All these feelings were subtle. There was nothing that made me feel that I was "high" or out of control, or even under the influence. I suppose that's part of absinthe's charm. You feel a little elevated without feeling "high". At least, that was this one's experience! 5 Aug 10, 9:07 PM 514-276-417 US(MI), 22 mths HouseWench, Yes, you are absolutely right. I oughtn't to have overlooked that obvious distinction. Many people share experiences with drugs in already existing relationships. To me, this is slightly less worrisome than those who base their friendships, whether they realize it or not, around who they do drugs with. A valuable distinction. Thank you HouseWench, yours, eirinn Edited 5 Aug 10, 9:08 PM by 514-276-417