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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Love from a Master?" 1 2 Love from a Master? (20) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 9 Jul 10, 5:20 PM GypsieCowboy US(NM), 3 yrs Y! are there some Masters who are incapable of saying that they love their submissives? sure. are there some Masters who are incapable of feeling love for their submissives? certainly. are there some Masters who believe that love and Mastership are incompatible? yep. so???????????????????????? Yeats, being poor, spread cloths made only of his dreams under your feet, asking you to tread softly. While I, equally poor, prefer to worship you with pain for My love, exalt you by training you towards Perfectability. If you seek perfection look for your self in My eyes. 10 Jul 10, 12:02 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs GypsieCowboy wrote: are there some Masters who are incapable of saying that they love their submissives? sure. are there some Masters who are incapable of feeling love for their submissives? certainly. are there some Masters who believe that love and Mastership are incompatible? yep. so???????????????????????? So........................ The OP asked for input on her thoughts and others kindly answered. If the "so" is for reasoning, it is in her post. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 10 Jul 10, 12:54 PM Calimero UK, 24 mths pet_ka_MJ wrote: Wendell Berry in "Word and Flesh" wrote: In my own instance, I faced this test this week. Master and I are very demonstrative in our love and neither of us fear or hesitate in telling the other that we love them. This week, for three days Master did not say he loved me. The first day I noted that he did not say the words, and figured he forgot. The second day, he did not say the words and I began to question (silently to myself). The third day he did not say the words, I felt anxious and nervous. This morning he told me how much he loved me. Upon hearing his words I visibly and noticably relaxed. I felt calm and content again. Then I began to question my response. I had become so focused on hearing his words of love, the heroic gesture, that I failed to see the humble and unrewarded gestures of love he engaged in everyday. I learned a very valuable lesson this week. Wow.. you know that really does sum up a lot. Master and I both have discussed this that the words "I love you" are too commonly used. I try to show him in ways without words as much as possible. so your story was very touching. For me yes I am lucky, I have a Master who loves me very much and I love him more than words can say. I know when I am being punished first and foremost by the lack of affection in this way... he knows that I enjoy being spanked, so not telling me he loves me, not calling me the names he has for me is one of the biggest punishments he can bestow upon me. OF course I then just have to work out what I am being punished for as he does like me to work it out for myself. I then will try to let him know that I am sorry. I give myself to him freely and without restraint. He has my total respect and loyalty and my love. 10 Jul 10, 1:43 PM 375-295-503 UK, 2 yrs Virgil wrote: Love from a Master? .. is it strange for me to want to me loved by Master in a somewhat romantic way while still His property? Or is it a perfectly normal thing to desire..? No I don't think it is a strange thing at all to want to be loved by your Master. To be a slave means to truly devote yourself to someone you have complete respect for and would do all in your power to please and willingly serve. I would say it is a normal human desire to want to receive love from a person whom elicits such a response. In my case, no my Master does not love me. He is in total control and that includes of himself and His emotions; so He will not allow Himself to let emotions control Him. That does not mean that my love for Him is lessened in any way, nor does it mean our relationship is inferior. Even my Master stated that our relationship was 'almost perfect'. I have in my Master everything I could possibly want. I can't deny that being loved by such a great man wouldn't be desirable; but I am humbled that my Master chooses me to care for, live with and serve under, so what more can I ask? One thing I would say, Virgil, is that it requires a great deal of communication and trust to develop a good M/s relationship. Keep talking to your Master, let him know all of your concerns so that you understand what he requires of you and that you can develop strategies to cope with being a slave and all that that entails. 12 Jul 10, 1:04 AM 321-347-898 CA, 2 yrs £ i have no doubt that your desires are "normal" ... but then again what is normal? Lol. In a M/s relationship there are different dynamics and relationship types that serve everyone differently. Until now Master has never loved one of His slaves. Until recently, even myself He spoke of his feelings and care for me ... but was always quick to point out that He did not love me. However, He was committed to the development and building on our relationship for the future. Given that Master never acknowledged "love" to any of His girls before me... i was very fearful of falling in love with Him. i have to admit i tried my best not to -- and one night all that built up emotion and fear manifested into severe subdrop right in front of Him. i started to have a panic attack during my entry into subspace. He was terrified! So when i told him what was wrong ... He held me in his arms and told me that it was more than alright for me to love Him. That He saw it as a privelege and that telling Him so was a great thing and that i should never be scared. He also told me that he cared about me, and had feelings for me and that He knew and always knew that i loved Him. Apparently i had said it several times while in subspace. Since that night...over the course of the last few months Master has opened up to me more emotionally... and truth be told He has mentioned on several occassions with such deep sentiment in His eyes that He would "take a bullet" for me. Somehow that means more than an "i love you." Our relationship dynamics have also altered quite alot into a more Daddy Dom/babygirl role at those critical times when He knows i require his emotional intimacy to give myself more fully to Him. Well... last night... after He formally introducing me to His parents for the first time as someone of most significance to His life... and getting their approval ... He whispered "i love you" in my ear while i was drifting out of post-coital subspace and falling asleep in his arms. i am his first love slave!!!! So yes... it is most natural to desire love when you give yourself fully to another. But it should NOT intefere with the control and power-exchange within the relationship. Period. Edited 12 Jul 10, 1:05 AM by 321-347-898 31 Jul 10, 8:40 PM Will_Anderegg US(CO), 22 mths Y! My slave is my wife. I fell in love with her and married her before she became my slave. We played with D/s nearly from the beginning, and she became my sub not long after we were married, but I love her deeply and would even had she not become my slave or sub. Romance and love are an integral part of our relationship, and I can't imagine my life with her without them. 31 Jul 10, 9:38 PM DarkSado 4 yrs It is entirely possible and quite common. The important thing is that both are on the same romantic page. DarkSado 1 Aug 10, 6:36 AM mamabear NL, 2 yrs In my opinion, it's perfectly normal to want love. My Master and I love each other and I can't imagine our relationship without that love. 1 Aug 10, 6:41 AM thegildedlili 3 yrs I want to be loved, I just don't want to be equal. Or in control. Or have my needs and wants come first. i have no need, for such things, but to make you happy... Josh Pyke 5 Aug 10, 3:18 AM tia1982 AU, 2 yrs pet_ka_MJ wrote: In my own instance, I faced this test this week. Master and I are very demonstrative in our love and neither of us fear or hesitate in telling the other that we love them. This week, for three days Master did not say he loved me. The first day I noted that he did not say the words, and figured he forgot. The second day, he did not say the words and I began to question (silently to myself). The third day he did not say the words, I felt anxious and nervous. This morning he told me how much he loved me. Upon hearing his words I visibly and noticably relaxed. I felt calm and content again. Then I began to question my response. I had become so focused on hearing his words of love, the heroic gesture, that I failed to see the humble and unrewarded gestures of love he engaged in everyday. I learned a very valuable lesson this week. What a beautiful story. I completely relate. Sir and I started as romantic and he has helped me explore D/s. I tell him I love him nearly every day. Some times he does not respond and I occassionally get a little anxious/need to hear it. But you're right - there are all those little gestures that show how much he loves me, I just don't register it sometimes...