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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Philosophy of ownership" Philosophy of ownership (10) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Sun 2 May 10, 9:26 PM 375-295-503 UK, 2 yrs My Master's philosophy regarding His ownership of me is 'Everything is permitted unless expressly forbidden'. I can see the wisdom in this and appreciate the high level of freedom this allows me. My question is twofold: 1.Do other Masters have a particular philosophy they adhere to? 2.Do you feel the tighter control that a Master has on their slave, the more responsive that slave will be? Any thoughts on this subject will be appreciated. 2 May 10, 10:08 PM IsabellaGrace UK, 3 yrs 375-295-503 wrote: 'Everything is permitted unless expressly forbidden'. Master has asked me to reply to this post. Master's philosophy is very similar to this. He allows me to do the majority of things. He believes that while I have few rules, those which I do have are there for very good reason and with out them Master feels my submission could, and probably will, suffer. Isabela 2 May 10, 11:11 PM 898-443-818 US, 5 yrs i am not sure this qualifies as a philosophy or if this is just what i leaned Master prefers, but He always prefers to ask permission to do just about everything. It perplexes me a bit, because He rarely says no. But the asking is important to Him. i am not sure more strictness=a more attentive slave. It is just a different form of BDSM. i guess upon thought, i feel Master is strict, i do have to ask for many things, and this does increase my attentiveness. However i also try to predict things i can do to make Him happy or get for Him, etc. Also, on very busy work days, i understand that some things are just to be done and not discussed (i work for my Master as well). But after many years together, i guess i just sense when those times are. i can imagine some slaves do better when not micromanaged, ...and they probably feel just as productive & responsible for their actions as someone like myself. 898-443-818 3 May 10, 3:50 AM Bella_Ragazza US(RI), 6 yrs 898-443-818 wrote: i am not sure this qualifies as a philosophy or if this is just what i leaned Master prefers, but He always prefers to ask permission to do just about everything. It perplexes me a bit, because He rarely says no. But the asking is important to Him. i am not sure more strictness=a more attentive slave. It is just a different form of BDSM. i guess upon thought, i feel Master is strict, i do have to ask for many things, and this does increase my attentiveness. However i also try to predict things i can do to make Him happy or get for Him, etc. Also, on very busy work days, i understand that some things are just to be done and not discussed (i work for my Master as well). But after many years together, i guess i just sense when those times are. i can imagine some slaves do better when not micromanaged, ...and they probably feel just as productive & responsible for their actions as someone like myself. 898-443-818 I agree with what 898-443-818 said. My Master is very much the same, in the way that I am to just ask for permission to go somewhere or do something, but not things like go to the bathroom or eat.Master has never been one for micromanaging. He likes the fact that I predict in a way what he needs form me and I do it even before its asked or ordered of me. I think slaves can thrive in both situations you just need to remember the ultimate goal is to please Master. Bella 3 May 10, 7:52 AM Slaver UK, 2 yrs 375-295-503 wrote: Philosophy of ownership Any thoughts on this subject will be appreciated. A slave should be happy with whatever directions or control her Master provides. My practise is to define what things require permission and anything outside those parameters are allowed. Much the same as your Master. However, I do not expect to be asked for permission to do something when the slave expects(wants) me to say no. To me, this has slightly more meaning 3 May 10, 2:50 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs My Master is a pretty relaxed person, more so than me, and he is not into micromanaging in the least. I have gotten in the habit of asking permission for everything and anticipating his needs. He hardly ever says NO and when he does, he usually has a good very reason. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 3 May 10, 7:31 PM 898-443-818 US, 5 yrs Bella_Ragazza wrote: 898-443-818 wrote: i am not sure this qualifies as a philosophy or if this is just what i leaned Master prefers, but He always prefers to ask permission to do just about everything. It perplexes me a bit, because He rarely says no. But the asking is important to Him. i am not sure more strictness=a more attentive slave. It is just a different form of BDSM. i guess upon thought, i feel Master is strict, i do have to ask for many things, and this does increase my attentiveness. However i also try to predict things i can do to make Him happy or get for Him, etc. Also, on very busy work days, i understand that some things are just to be done and not discussed (i work for my Master as well). But after many years together, i guess i just sense when those times are. i can imagine some slaves do better when not micromanaged, ...and they probably feel just as productive & responsible for their actions as someone like myself. 898-443-818 I agree with what 898-443-818 said. My Master is very much the same, in the way that I am to just ask for permission to go somewhere or do something, but not things like go to the bathroom or eat.Master has never been one for micromanaging. He likes the fact that I predict in a way what he needs form me and I do it even before its asked or ordered of me. I think slaves can thrive in both situations you just need to remember the ultimate goal is to please Master. Bella Actually, i think Master does micromanage me, except in certain situations. i do have to ask to go to the bathroom, and to eat... He prefers me to ask for everything, although every little thing doesn't result in punishment. i am sorry if i stated it wrong. i do try foresee His needs. Like you said, as long as both parties are happy with the arrangements, i can see how both would work out 3 May 10, 8:03 PM 375-295-503 UK, 2 yrs Thank you for all your responses. It is really interesting to learn about other people's dynamics. I agree with Slavers post about a slave should be happy with whatever directions or control her Master provides, after all, as a slave it is certainly my deisre to please my Master. I was interested to read how some slaves are micromanaged and how that can make them more attentive. Although I do not have the same level of control over me, I guess I try to pre-empt my Master's requirements and ensure He is satisfied with my service. 3 May 10, 10:32 PM 898-443-818 US, 5 yrs Master's golden rule is "when in doubt, ask". i usually have to ask to eat, to pee, to spend any money, to have any cash on my person, to do anything. Like i said, at times it perplexes me, because He doesn't say no alot or use it in a sadistic way. Perhaps He views it as manners. i have to ask to get in bed, to stand upright in our bedroom, to touch myself...... you see the point. You asked if it could result in a more attentive slave. i believe it does, at least, attentive to the behaviors He desires, since He desires asking and i must remember to do it. Also it makes you consider if what you are about to do is necessary/important. It's a good reminder of my place. i would say it also allows Him to have me adhere to His plans/schedules without always Him explaining everything to me. He probably has a reason when He says no. Usually i ask or He tells me. Hmph. Hard to explain! 898-443-818 3 May 10, 11:54 PM SirSeven 3 yrs This is a very good question that I had to think on and also consult my slave about! I've been called a "gentle dictator" by several people. Most of the time I am firm with my decisions or intentions. Other times I allow input and suggestions from my slaves. It varies depending on the subject, my mood, and whether I'm a specialist in certain subjects. I take an inventory of a slave's strengths and then I use their skill sets to my/our advantage. I'm not an expert in accounting, for example, so I'll delegate the task to someone who is but I always have the final say on things. I don't micro-manage to the point where every single thing needs to be supervised, monitored, and approved. Instead, I teach a slave how I expect something to be done then I leave them to their own devices to get it done to my liking from then on. I will own only talented, autonomous slaves who know my preferences and tastes and can work independently to make my life more comfortable. Rules, rituals, conduct, etc., are strictly controlled and enforced, but once they learn my rules they are pretty much left to go about their duties with minimal involvement from me. Regards, Sir Seven 4 May 10, 6:17 PM mutable 2 yrs 375-295-503 wrote: Philosophy of ownership My Master's philosophy regarding His ownership of me is 'Everything is permitted unless expressly forbidden'. I can see the wisdom in this and appreciate the high level of freedom this allows me. My question is twofold: 1.Do other Masters have a particular philosophy they adhere to? 2.Do you feel the tighter control that a Master has on their slave, the more responsive that slave will be? Any thoughts on this subject will be appreciated. I would not say that he has a philosophy that he insists I live by (not unless it is insidious). Certainly, he has his own, but we are still at the stage where he is learning to understand mine and 'nudge' them nearer to his. I know I must be honest. I know I must not disrespect him and, if ever I do, I must understand how. He never punishes me for this however; it is just explained in a way I can understand and, because I am mature enough and have confidence in him, I deal with it accordingly. We talk, lots. We also listen, lots. This attitude causes me to please him more than any punishment or overt 'domliness' would. Whether tighter control is effective depends on how the D/O/M prefers to conduct the dynamic and if they have found the right s. Caveat : Non offensive and always learning. 'We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are' Anais Nin