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	TSR : Web boards : O&P : "a non-consensual slave" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a non-consensual slave (68) This post is on the O&P web board. 20 Apr 10, 10:38 PM 287-332-013 UK, 2 yrs I would love to be a non-consensual, because my master finds it hard to push me. I think it would be great if i could completely give up responsibility of myself. But obviously i would like the master to be loving and rewarding at the same time. 21 Apr 10, 4:32 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs Okay... you asked that people visit the male-slavery website to learn more of what you are talking about. The website was not much help, unless I was willing to pay $33.00 for a book on training male slaves... and that is not going to happen. So, what it appears here is that you have your own idea of what it means to be a slave and other people have their ideas. There appears to be a bit of judgement happening about which is the better or truer slave. There will never be agreement on this issue, as our lives are so vastly different and what we hope to achieve individually as Masters and/or slaves differs. You wish to live the consent non-consensual lifestyle you are trying to describe, fill your boots... go for it I say. May you find happiness in your chosen path. However, do not judge me or anyone else for that matter as being lesser or false if we choose a different path to our slavery... it is our our path to choose. At the end of the day, it is not about convincing one another about "truth" but an exchange of ideas so that our relationships, whatever WE wish to make them, can be richer and more dynamic. As my grandmother was fond of saying, take what you like and leave the rest. As for limits, they are what a Master will decide them to be. If a slave is smart, they will choose a Master with limits very similar to their own. I have done this, and so do not expect any nasty surprises in terms of what my Master expects of me. Does this make me a no limit slave? In my mind it does, as limits are relative and specific to each relationship... each Master... and each slave. Overall, when reading your posts I get the impression that you are looking for a one-size fits all version of slavery and as you can see from the responses you have received to your post so far... that is not going to happen. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair Edited 21 Apr 10, 4:34 PM by pet_ka_MJ 21 Apr 10, 6:55 PM 600-780-415 4 yrs pet_ka_MJ wrote: Okay... you asked that people visit the male-slavery website to learn more of what you are talking about. The website was not much help, unless I was willing to pay $33.00 for a book on training male slaves... and that is not going to happen. So, what it appears here is that you have your own idea of what it means to be a slave and other people have their ideas. There appears to be a bit of judgement happening about which is the better or truer slave. There will never be agreement on this issue, as our lives are so vastly different and what we hope to achieve individually as Masters and/or slaves differs. You wish to live the consent non-consensual lifestyle you are trying to describe, fill your boots... go for it I say. May you find happiness in your chosen path. However, do not judge me or anyone else for that matter as being lesser or false if we choose a different path to our slavery... it is our our path to choose. At the end of the day, it is not about convincing one another about "truth" but an exchange of ideas so that our relationships, whatever WE wish to make them, can be richer and more dynamic. As my grandmother was fond of saying, take what you like and leave the rest. As for limits, they are what a Master will decide them to be. If a slave is smart, they will choose a Master with limits very similar to their own. I have done this, and so do not expect any nasty surprises in terms of what my Master expects of me. Does this make me a no limit slave? In my mind it does, as limits are relative and specific to each relationship... each Master... and each slave. Overall, when reading your posts I get the impression that you are looking for a one-size fits all version of slavery and as you can see from the responses you have received to your post so far... that is not going to happen. Once again, my post was a Question not a Statement!Each to his/her own i'm not making judgements on others lifestyle.BTW you dont have to buy the book{i didn't} you can get 3 chapters for free if you wish,it explains a little of the real difference between consensual/non-consensual slavery,of course this is only on male slavery not female.I noticed most if not all the replies were from females it could be male slavery is something different all together! 25 Apr 10, 8:08 PM 272-387-080 US(PA), 5 yrs My problem is that, though I crave to have another man take control of me, I have been independent for most of my life. While I agree that the initial submission to control must be consequential, I know that I will sooner or later (and likely sooner) miss my independence and tire of the situation. I will want to bring it to an end - to leave even though I will most likely eventually regret that decision. The only solution I have come up with is to seek a situation that becomes non-consequential the second I cede control. I simply don't know any other way to take this from role play to reality - from ongoing cooperation on my part to true control. I believe that if I know I can end it, I have the ultimate control. I don't trust myself with that control. 25 Apr 10, 11:34 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs 272-387-080 wrote: My problem is that, though I crave to have another man take control of me, I have been independent for most of my life. While I agree that the initial submission to control must be consequential, I know that I will sooner or later (and likely sooner) miss my independence and tire of the situation. I will want to bring it to an end - to leave even though I will most likely eventually regret that decision. The only solution I have come up with is to seek a situation that becomes non-consequential the second I cede control. I simply don't know any other way to take this from role play to reality - from ongoing cooperation on my part to true control. I believe that if I know I can end it, I have the ultimate control. I don't trust myself with that control. This slave used to have that. You don't necessarily have to find someone who's not ever going to let you leave, you just have to find the right Master. One with the right amount of dominance you need. After that, should work out fine Or it has for this slave. -s Always the curious one ~ s 3 May 10, 2:45 AM nequam AU, 6 yrs How truly non-consensual is the slavery if you have the option to walk away after one month? As for my relationship with Master, all i know is i came freely to Him and within 5 months knew i wanted to be His slave without any rights at all, for the rest of my life. Its now been over 5 years and we are still working toward that. owned property of Sir Trisk Being your slave what should I do but tend Upon the hours, and times of your desire? Sonnet 57 - William Shakespeare 3 May 10, 3:28 AM Vickie US(WI), 7 yrs Y! 600-780-415 wrote: a non-consensual slave How many slaves on here would prefer to have a non-consensual position with their Master/Mistress? non-consensual slavery is technically illegal in multiple countries. It is also considered rape. we as slaves choose slavery as we choose to submit to our Masters/Mistresses. Once we choose to submit to them anything goes. This one chooses her slavery for obvious reasons. This one wouldn't have it any other way. In bondage I am made free. 4 May 10, 1:32 AM Phoenix002 UK, 2 yrs Y! The relationship, I guess, would have originated by consent, an agreement of parameters, however, once the mutual agreement has been reached & the slave has become the property of his Mistress, the relationship is irrevocable, unless the Mistress decides otherwise. The slave has willingly waived his rights to serve & belong to his Mistress. 4 May 10, 1:41 AM Phoenix002 UK, 2 yrs Y! Different Mistresses will require different things from their slaves, perhaps there can be no consensus across the board. Each relationship will find its' own special meaning, true to itself. 12 May 10, 10:12 PM softline US(CA), 2 yrs First let me say that I agree that initial consent is required to enter into any O&P relationship. There is really no such thing as a "non-consensual" relationship. It is always about choices. Even in a country where slavery is legal the slave always has the choice of suicide versus slavery. So in a "non-consensual" relationship what you actually have is a situation where the choice is "obey" or suffer some other horrible option. For some couples "obey or leave" is just not "non-consensual" enough. Their arousal level actually increases the more onerous the alternative to obediance. As a result I thought it would be interesting to discuss in more depth how to respond to the two questions that follow: Vickie wrote: 600-780-415 wrote: a non-consensual slave How many slaves on here would prefer to have a non-consensual position with their Master/Mistress? non-consensual slavery is technically illegal in multiple countries. It is also considered rape. First let me say IANAL and before considering any of the following options consult a lawyer familiar with the laws in your area. Physical Restraint: This is illegal in civilized countries. However indirect restraint can some times be used. For example if Dom/Domme is lucky enough to live in a remote location slave can be free to leave at any time, but would unlikely survive the walk to nearest civilization. Financial Controls: Slave gets rid of all financial assets before entering realtionship. Dom/Domme provides/controls all finances and if slave leaves they are left with nothing. Note slave should not turn over assests to Dom/Domme unless they are getting married. Any court in the world would reverse the transaction as soon as they found out about it. This could be very bad for Dom/Domme if some time had lapsed and court required repayment and money is already spent. A better alternative is for slave to donate all assets to charity before entering O&P relationship. Blackmail: Everyone has secrets ranging from unprosecuted crimes to merely embarressing information. If slave leaves information is revealed. To avoid legal troubles it is best to involve a third party not in your country (internet makes this easy) so actual blackmailer cannot be prosecuted. Dom/Domme must never know specifics of the information. Slave provides information to third party. Third party checks with Dom/Domme periodically to see slave is in O&P relationship. If not third party reveals information. I know one cruel master who as a part of entering O&P requires slave to write down their worst secret and send to third party. Third party reviews information and reports to master with one word EMail that indicates information is sufficiently damaging to deter leaving. This is sort of a high powered game of truth or dare. Psychological Isolation: Dom/Domme cuts off all communication with others, so that if slave leaves there is no one to turn to. One technique involves requiring slave to sever all outside relationships in a manner that would cause outsiders to not respond to future communications. Another technique I saw used by master who was bilingual was to recruit slaves remotely from area that spoke the other language. Master always picked slaves who could not speak any English. Master lived in area where the nearest person besides slave that spoke language was several hundred miles away. Slave could leave at any time, but could not even ask for directions. Reward: This is a tricky one. If you are not careful how you go about it , the situation can quickly become prostitution/rape. Any O&P relationship has rewards for good behavior. The reward can range from physical pleasure (i.e orgasm) to something material (i.e. new collar or outfit). So when does reward become crime. One Master in another thread said that he always sets up a trust fund for his 24/7 slaves so that they end up with some assets at the end of their period of service. To avoid problems the trust fund documents can never mention the true nature of the relationship. But verbally the slave knows if they leave the trustfund is revoked. Basically the more distant the reward from the action the more protected you can be. Trust fund that matures in 7 years is better than weekly payments to slave. I know many Dom/Dommes that provide some sort of long term financial incentives to their 27/7 slaves. If you engage in any of the preceding be careful what you write down. Never put any of the preceding in a slave contract for example. Never tell unneccesary third party about your arrangements. If serious problems develop make it a "he said/she said" situation. Again I am not a lawyer. It would be good if some members who are lawyers could be more specific in this area concerning legal ways to make relationship more "non-consensual" Next page