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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Questions on slaves who ..." 1 2 Questions on slaves who ... (18) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board (moved from Internal Enslavement). Sun 11 Apr 10, 6:44 AM Beardedknight US(AR), 2 yrs Y! Okay first I will say that I am not sure if this is in the right topic area or not. If it is not I apologize and if directed I will move it to the correct board. My question stems from reading so many personal ads where the "slave" (both male and female) want to give up everything in their lives, giving up complete control of all aspects of their lives. Every time I see an add where they are wanting to do the above I wonder what the motive is, or is their an ulterior motive? I really don't understand the desire to give up everything in their lives and be kept in chains, almost like being taken to a non-human position. Can anyone, Master/Owner/Dom or sub/slave, explain this attitude or desire to me? I understand giving up control but not the dehumanizing of a slave. Personally I do prefer a slave that has a head on her/his shoulders and not only can think for themself but for the relationship as well, but knowing the my word is LAW. I will listen to my slaves and subs and may even take what they say into consideration but the final decision on whatever is still mine and mine alone. I just can not understand the need for so many to be debased into nothing. Yes doing what they are told but still being dehumanized. I hope some of the great people on this site can help me to understand these things. With respect, Sir Tim the Beardedknight 11 Apr 10, 3:36 PM slave_of_The_Tesh US(FL), 2 yrs I look forward to reading the answers; I'm curious too. I don't know how a person can willingly debase themselves so. I was forced into being treated as less than a person by an abusive ex, and would never purposely allow anyone to treat me like that again, let alone WANT it. My Master, like you, listens to me when I have something I would like Him to consider, and usually keeps it in mind when making His final decision. This notion of giving up everything, including one's humanity, is a scary, disturbing concept to me and I don't understand what motivates people to do it. His Beloved Owned and loved by The_Tesh This post has probably been edited for spelling/grammar because I'm weird like that. 11 Apr 10, 4:59 PM 976-149-021 23 mths Beardedknight wrote: Questions on slaves who ... I just can not understand the need for so many to be debased into nothing. Yes doing what they are told but still being dehumanized. slave_of_The_Tesh wrote: This notion of giving up everything, including one's humanity, is a scary, disturbing concept to me and I don't understand what motivates people to do it. I could not agree more. I know that this lifestyle means different things to different people, but this is also difficult for me to understand. In order to serve completely, obey my Master, and meet all of His needs and desires, I do not need to forfeit my humanity. I will become what He wants me to be, happily, but I will always remain a human being, a woman, and a slave-in that order. All of our reasoning ends in surrender to feeling. Blaise Pascal 11 Apr 10, 5:06 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs slave_of_The_Tesh wrote: This notion of giving up everything, including one's humanity, is a scary, disturbing concept to me and I don't understand what motivates people to do it. Viktor Frankl and Elie Weisel have written on this concept extensively as part of their experiences in the german concentration camps during WW2. While they never voluntarily gave up their freedom, they were none the less subjected to very dehumanizing treatment. Having read their work, and those of others, I think the message that comes across is that the difference between humans and animals is our ability to retain our humanity in extreme situations. Having read the blogs of slaves who seek this type of treatment, I see a common theme of stripping away of all our social and cultural conditioning to expose the base human underneath. I guess for those that engage in this type of treatment, it is how dehumanized can I get before I loose even a basic humanity. Psychologically, this is a very dangerous tightrope to walk with one's psyche, but to each their own. Testing of one's humanity in such a way, requires a strong sense of self and psychological toughness that most people do not have. I cannot see this type of treatment being sustainable over the long-term without negative consequences. As someone, who has also experienced extreme abuse and debasement in the hands of another, I would never willing seek out this kind of treatment. Been there, done that I guess you could say. I do know from my own experience of having survived the abuse, I am a much stronger person for it and I have a psychological toughness about me that I sometimes wish I never had. It is like I have lost some of my child-like innocence in looking at the world. I guess once the rose coloured glasses come off, they can never go back on. One last comment, I also think there is a naivity about some newcomers who are seeking this lifestyle. They think slave and a stereotypical image comes to mind. So they get caught up in some fantastical concept of slavery, and they have no idea of the reality until they are faced living with it. So, to the OP, this will probably account for the proliferation of profiles seeking this type of treatment. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 11 Apr 10, 6:56 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs This slave's had a Master before who was into the "dehumanizing" of a slave. He wanted to call her "it," and treat her strictly as property and an object. She couldn't stand it. She hated it. Her will and stubborness was too strong for it. Whenever called "it" she literally flinches. Whether or not one is a slave, they are still a *person* they are not some object without feelings. They are an individual with their own unique mental chemistry; thoughts, behaviors, and, yes, limits. She doesn't understand why anyone would *want* this rather than for the fantasy part. And, most new slaves don't know what being a slave is like; they have no experience. This slave would say if you find a slave that you think you would like (minus this dehumanizing part) contact them anyways. Maybe they are new. Maybe they don't know what they're asking for. Maybe you can save them from some owner intent on this psychological breakdown -s Always the curious one ~ s 15 Apr 10, 9:51 AM mannerlesslave US(WA), 7 yrs For me personally, when i came to devote myself whole heartedly- body and soul to my present Master- it was such a freeing sensation and joy to no longer be responsible in decision making for myself, now he is. We discuss and explore ideas, thoughts easily enough, of course he makes all decisions for us, keeping me free of stresses and worries, leaving me to focus on keeping Master happy, and pleased, being his obediant and adoring slave. The use of bondage, chained, cages etc, is a different level and mind set, one needs to thoroughly self explore their own feelings and boundaries if any-about them. i know with me, i found although curious and wanting to experience certain things, becuz of my inhibitions from family, society or religion- i just would not allow myself to try or if i attempted couldn't allow myself to enjoy and experience the fullness of sensations going on- however when handcuffed to coffee table or tied to bondage table, i had no choice but give myself over and learn to enjoy what was happening, options of my escape or ability to flee-no longer options, and was able to as they say in Rocky Horror, 'give yourself over to absolute pleasure' and be free of guilt. it isn't an easy road, 1st exposure, to total acceptance was a step by step, level by level trip taking over 10 yrs now to be where i am today. to me it isn't dehumanisation giving oneself over to another in a M/s relationship/ownership, nor is it degrading, rather an unconditional love and obediance to one who is willing to devote themself to train, love and take care of me. also think 20+yrs in a job where maintaining complete control of things why i seek total freedom of any control. mid career prior to M/s involvement, i left profession on sabatical choosing instead to manage cookies instead of lives, until financially needing to resume nursing career. not sure how much or if at all my ramblin' on here helps u, but atleast hope it gives some insight. All a slave is, feels and does, is devoted to her Master. True strength lies in the surrender. Edited 15 Apr 10, 1:01 PM by mannerlesslave 17 Apr 10, 12:02 PM jbdogowner UK, 5 yrs slaves who want to "give everything" are indeed putting themselves at risk of abuse but my take on it is they actually seek out masters for complete trust, who are both trustworthy and honourable. I personally would not make a slave do something I knew they didnt want nor do I go looking for limits I or they might have. I make it my business to know my slaves likes and combined with my own tastes that is where our relationship occurs my quote on trust is (if I order you to run off the top of a tall building you would do so without looking down because you trust me to have sorted the consequences) that is probably the ideal such slaves search 17 Apr 10, 9:51 PM subbymentalist US(LA), 5 yrs i personally think it totally revolves around trust. i believe that some people become so jaded after having their trust misused and taken advantage of so much that when they finally find someone they feel they can trust, the best way they can find to express their happiness and appreciation is to become whatever that person wants them to be. Again, i am totally speculating based on personal feelings and things i have read. i think it is possible for a person to be so emotionally hurt by others that they begin to hate the human race as a whole and hate themselves for being human. Some people are ashamed of their kinks, and objectification is a way around self-loathing for some people. For others, the desire to make their significant other happy can lead them to amazing lengths, including the desire to be objectified just to make their partner happy even if they don't enjoy it themselves. For most i would imagine it is a kink thing. Someone sees a video or reads a story and it gets them hot. i'll admit, i have had quite a few fantasies about it myself. They may think they want to live life that way, but soon realize they don't have the strength. Some people are just overwhelmed by adult life (job, bills, taxes, etc.) and are looking for an easy yet exciting out. i got on the topic of bondage a while back with one of my extremely vanilla neighbor ladies. She had stumbled upon a fetish site by accident (which is another funny story for another day), and was telling me how appalled and absolutely mortified she was that a person would actually allow another person to hurt them for any reason, even more so when it was for pleasure. Forty years old and until now had no clue that things like this went on!! Some of us like to be beaten black and blue, choked, forced to have sex with strangers, etcetera. Maybe it hits some primal triggers in us, or maybe it just gets us off harder. Looking at it that way, is objectification really so alien and hard to understand? - [Tm] Edited 17 Apr 10, 9:54 PM by subbymentalist 19 Apr 10, 4:24 AM bastets_daughter 2 yrs SIRS_kitten0215 wrote: Beardedknight wrote: Questions on slaves who ... I just can not understand the need for so many to be debased into nothing. Yes doing what they are told but still being dehumanized. slave_of_The_Tesh wrote: This notion of giving up everything, including one's humanity, is a scary, disturbing concept to me and I don't understand what motivates people to do it. I could not agree more. I know that this lifestyle means different things to different people, but this is also difficult for me to understand. In order to serve completely, obey my Master, and meet all of His needs and desires, I do not need to forfeit my humanity. I will become what He wants me to be, happily, but I will always remain a human being, a woman, and a slave-in that order. thats such a pretty way to put it, i'd agree. i can only offer myself up to a Master - myself, as the human female sub 27 Apr 10, 9:24 AM slave_carol 21 mths I am new to the M/s lifestyle, however, my Master is not. When I first began checking out different sites about enslavement, I became very withdrawn from my Master. He lovingly reeled me back in and assured me he didn't believe in the "abusive" M/s relationship. I was so relieved! I want nothing more than to serve and please him on all levels. He treats me as his slave, yes; but also as a woman with a soul. I cannot thank him enough for allowing me to keep that as a part of my identity. In my opinion it will be way easier and fulfilling to please my Master knowing that he views me as a woman in addition to being his slave. 27 Apr 10, 8:54 PM Sklavos_mou_Kyriah 3 yrs At my initial enslavement I was told that a self debasing slave or a one that seeks such is of no use (to My Lady). She wants a slave who is proud to be one. - edited to correct syntax - As my signature quote states.... To be a true slave is to be truly free Sklavos Edited 27 Apr 10, 8:56 PM by Sklavos_mou_Kyriah Next page