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	TSR : Web boards : O&P : "Masters that approach slave." 1 2 Masters that approach slave. (12) This post is on the O&P web board. Tue 30 Mar 10, 7:33 PM 562-470-768 2 yrs this girl greets altogether, Master actually put her to writing this note, as he is rather annoyed and something frustrated with behaviour from other prospective Owners. (usually not those who already Own, but those Master thinks is taking chances). Master asked girl to explain that he subscribes to the 'old school' of etiquette with regards to another's property. by this, Master means that 1. he will not approach an Owned slave/sub directly with proposals 2. he will allow this girl to assist other Owners and their property with general help and information - whilst monitoring ALL interaction and ending it when he sees it being inappropriate. based on that, Master has noted that many MANY 'would be Owners' approach this girl - not only inapropriately COMMANDING her to do certian things, but also with indecent proposals. as many of the ones here knows, this girl is always happy to assist in anyway she can. she is also very direct and up front, and always makes it clear that she is monitored, but also that anything involving the 'Stuff of Owners' is to be directed directly to Master. this girl gives three, clear ways to contact Master and ask not to be involved in this. Master's question then: "Is there a new-age movement that I need to know about that excuse any other Owners commanding my slave to service them? Am I the ONLY one in this diverse environment that subscribe to common curtesy? How does other Owners feel about this matter?" Master wish girl to add: "I find it personally insulting when another Owner or future Owner think they can 'cunt train' my girl *amongst other things* . To me, you are undermining my ability to train her myself. You are also stating that you can do it better than I can, and that my girl (aparently) is so untrained that you feel yourself needing to step in and do it FOR me." this is not just online though. while Master took this girl out to a fetish gathering, he was TOTALLY ignored as the Owner, eventhough he held her by the leash. all questions were directed to her, and when her only answer was to look at Master and step even further back behind him, they seemed taken aback or even upset by this! this was by Owners who claimed to have been 20years plus in the lifestyle! this is not a bitching session, but Master really wanted to know if it is time that he 'update' his thoughts to compensate for this behaviour IF it is a generaly accepted thin - although he is NOT going to change his stance on the matter. Master also wanted to know, from Owners or future Owners who partake in this sort of behaviour if they understand that a slave has NO RIGHTS of their own, other than what was agreed at the beginning of the service? Would you jump into someone else's farari/volkswagen just because the keys are in there, or DO YOU expect there to be trouble? We are all vanilla to some degree - for society will keep a foothold in our lives. We are all Dom/mes or slave/sub on some level, as there is ALWAYS someone weaker or stronger than you... 30 Mar 10, 9:37 PM SirSeven 3 yrs I think that in the O&P, M/s, D/s worlds, just as in any other, there are poseurs who have no honor or decency or common courtesy or respect for others. There are those who call themselves masters or owners but what have they done to earn that title? What have they mastered? If they are approaching owned slaves in the manner that you have described, I would say they have proven that they have actually mastered very little, or perhaps even nothing. These people should be avoided. To answer your question, there is no "new age" movement that allows for this type of behavior. It's inappropriate and these people need to get a clue. Men approach my girl all the time, in person and on-line. She politely turns them away and we have a good laugh about it afterward, especially if they were rude or underhanded in their approach. I'm not worried about it at all because I trust her and I know that when it comes down to it, they should probably fear HER more than they should fear me. I'm usually a big softy. She's the wolf in slave's clothing. Regards, Sir Seven 31 Mar 10, 1:33 AM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs SirSeven wrote: I think that in the O&P, M/s, D/s worlds, just as in any other, there are poseurs who have no honor or decency or common courtesy or respect for others. There are those who call themselves masters or owners but what have they done to earn that title? What have they mastered? If they are approaching owned slaves in the manner that you have described, I would say they have proven that they have actually mastered very little, or perhaps even nothing. These people should be avoided. To answer your question, there is no "new age" movement that allows for this type of behavior. It's inappropriate and these people need to get a clue. Completely agreed There is nothing that makes this right. Most wouldn't approach a married couple, but there are also those that do, just like in any lifestyle. You just have to shrug it off. I'm not worried about it at all because I trust her and I know that when it comes down to it, they should probably fear HER more than they should fear me. I'm usually a big softy. She's the wolf in slave's clothing. LOL -s Always the curious one ~ s 31 Mar 10, 4:24 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs SirSeven wrote: I think that in the O&P, M/s, D/s worlds, just as in any other, there are poseurs who have no honor or decency or common courtesy or respect for others. There are those who call themselves masters or owners but what have they done to earn that title? What have they mastered? If they are approaching owned slaves in the manner that you have described, I would say they have proven that they have actually mastered very little, or perhaps even nothing. These people should be avoided. To answer your question, there is no "new age" movement that allows for this type of behavior. It's inappropriate and these people need to get a clue. I totally concur with what SirSeven wrote. It is unfortunate, but there are those out there who are scammers, wankers, posers and players. As SirSeven said, they need to get a clue. I too get approached. Usually I will politely let them know to contact my Master in regards to any further correspondence. Depending on the communication and my mood though, sometimes, I just tell them what I really think of them.... then tell them to be like a bee and buzz off. Enjoy the evening. 333-528-841 Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not, Remember that what you now have, was once among the things you only hoped for. ~Epicurus~ (greek philosopher, BC 341-270) Edited 31 Mar 10, 4:25 AM by 333-528-841 31 Mar 10, 5:21 AM SeanT70 9 yrs Having read all of the above posts, I had an incident happen in the early hours prior to my writing this, and while the other party concerned wasn't in our lifestyle, ultimately the result was the same. I'll explain; quite simply, there's an unspoken line that doesn't get crossed - if it does, hellfire and brimstone can break out - who the maker of that brimstone 'is' because of the usurper is neither here nor there. What happened was that Phay was talking to this guy that we both know, and sometimes, chat can get a little lewd, which I have no objection to; but then, he took a different line.. 'get your skinny arse here girl..(convoluted with)..that's an order'... ..so of course, my ears pricked to this, because whilst I've no need to (most of the time), *I* am the only one that has the right to order Phay around in such a manner, so I took it upon myself to call the guy out on it. And he took offence, swearing blind that he had the utmost respect for both of us (having held prior discussion on other stuff before, you understand) - that he was only jesting. What he couldn't understand was that it was compounded by the fact that he'd never had any experience in a relationship like ours (given that he's 'nilla), and as such he wouldn't know how to manage someone like this anyway. It's since been resolved and the guy apologised for overstepping, but it's amazing what these people think they can get away with if you don't pull them up, even if they call themselves friends. Now, that aside, Phay has had a few approaches in her mail box from various wannabe-owner-wankers, but since she used to show me all, and I monitor all incoming and outgoing mails and memos now anyway, I spot any that might fancy their chances. The funnier ones though, because of the things we like to get up to, have been. the ones that wanted to submit to her, under me - we nearly entertained taking one on too. And then there were the fetishists. Ergh, lol. Have fun, Sean. 31 Mar 10, 7:12 AM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs SirSeven wrote: Men approach my girl all the time, in person and on-line. She politely turns them away and we have a good laugh about it afterward, especially if they were rude or underhanded in their approach. I'm not worried about it at all because I trust her and I know that when it comes down to it, they should probably fear HER more than they should fear me. I'm usually a big softy. She's the wolf in slave's clothing. Regards, Sir Seven I get approached quite often as well, not so much in person, but online it was to a point it was more than just annoying. I've always tried to be polite, but that is not always possible. Master and I also have a good laugh over the approach techniques of some of the "Masters." Master does not worry about me as he trusts me, and I tell him everything. And while my Master may appear to be a "softy" he has a bite and can be very protective of his own, even though he knows I am more than capable of looking after it myself. It is always nice to know I do not have to if I do not want to. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 31 Mar 10, 7:33 AM 562-470-768 2 yrs this girl greets you, and then express Master's grattitude for the answers given. because this is not an online thing only - for most part, this girl handles the online creeps rather well and to Master's entertainment as she leads them around the bush a few times till they run into themselves - it was more about the offline things. when one is in an environment where 'experienced' owners are present Master noticed the 'latest' in 'trends'. this is to say that girl is not only approached for 'service' (rolls eyes) but even where it comes to purchasing items. Master is completely disregarded and girl is asked things like "so what do you think of it." and "why don't you buy it and give it a try?" - although Master is easy going, this has happened more and more, and it would seem that these folk get a bit upset when girl does not answer THEM directly, or that Master would step up and do the answering or the questioning. not only is this girl obviously a slave, but Master is also standing right there, holding her leash... *chuckles* in a whole dungeon/club there was but ONE Owner who spoke to Master directly and asked him ver politely "would you mind if I use your girl to demonstrate this whip" in normal societal environments, we do not break our routines either, but for some reason, it seems more regularly accepted that girl does not answer or steps back. however it is becoming more and more obvious that in the fetish and BDSM environment, the subs/slaves are seen as the decision makers on most (if not all fronts). again, Master is calm, firm and in control in these events, but he was starting to wonder if this is the more acceptable way of doing things. it is only over the last year that he's notice this trend developing. all in all though, he chuckled at some of the responses. Master says that his little 'survey' certainly has been taken to heart and that he does not feel he is missing out on something obvious anymore *chuckles* - he also went on to state that it would really make no difference if the response did come back to be a new 'way' of doing things, he is not changing his way to suite others, but he may have been a wee bit more tolerant had that been the case. We are all vanilla to some degree - for society will keep a foothold in our lives. We are all Dom/mes or slave/sub on some level, as there is ALWAYS someone weaker or stronger than you... 31 Mar 10, 8:04 AM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs I delete email that's inappropriate (I don't even bother him with it) and C prefers I not speak to men he hasn't introduced me to. I only rarely go anywhere without him and he's selective re: where he takes me. When we're out I stay close and in general, I've found my own manner of dress/body language sufficient to discourage those who aren't welcome. In the (very) rare moments where that hasn't been enough, a quiet word from C always is. It's never really been a problem for us. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 31 Mar 10, 8:42 AM Sir_Aldric 5 yrs It is not about old or new school; it is all about being respectful. Without respect we are lost. Respect is timeless. 1. A true Master should have a high respect for women in general. 2. A true Master should have a very high respect for unowned slaves and realize that his first step always should be to EARN the respect of said slave before doing anything else. Commanding unowned slaves out of the blue immediately proves you are NOT a Master. 3. A true Master should have an extremely high respect for owned slaves. 4. If a slave (owned or unowned) approaches a Master, with questions, asks for help, whatever, then a true Master should respectful be there for that slave, without wanting anything in return. Everything is based upon respect, if you don't see and feel that, you're not a Master. Not in my eyes. These are not guidelines and most certainly NOT kind requests; it is a MUST for a true Master. If as a Master you behave disrespectful, whether online or rl, you are not a Master to my opinion. You are a loser, just deceiving yourself and (vulnerable) slaves in your presentation as 'Master'. As always, to my humble opinion, SA Relax, life is too short to get upset. Edited 31 Mar 10, 8:50 AM by Sir_Aldric 1 Apr 10, 3:04 AM SirSeven 3 yrs 562-470-768 wrote: when one is in an environment where 'experienced' owners are present Master noticed the 'latest' in 'trends'. this is to say that girl is not only approached for 'service' (rolls eyes) but even where it comes to purchasing items. Master is completely disregarded and girl is asked things like "so what do you think of it." and "why don't you buy it and give it a try?" - although Master is easy going, this has happened more and more, and it would seem that these folk get a bit upset when girl does not answer THEM directly, or that Master would step up and do the answering or the questioning. not only is this girl obviously a slave, but Master is also standing right there, holding her leash... *chuckles* in a whole dungeon/club there was but ONE Owner who spoke to Master directly and asked him ver politely "would you mind if I use your girl to demonstrate this whip" Not all vendors are lifestyle practitioners. Instead, they target fetish events to focus on a very select group of people, M/s folk, for example, even though they are not M/s folk themselves. While most are aware of certain expected protocols when attending events, like not speaking directly to slaves/subs unless they are invited to do so, not everyone is aware of these rules. There are also those who attend events to learn, or players who just want to get laid who are totally oblivious to any established norms or protocols. They may have been brought by a friend or caught wind of the event themselves from advertisements - but they are not O&P/Ms/Ds people in their daily lives. I see this all the time. I'm not saying any of this is acceptable, it's just an unfortunate reality that can be irritating. You will always encounter those who either don't know the rules or those who don't care about the rules. Best you can do is tell them to get lost and make a mental note to avoid them in the future. If they continue with their inappropriate behavior, you should report them to the event managers. Regards, Sir Seven 3 May 10, 3:06 AM nequam AU, 6 yrs It has nothing to do with new age in my humble opinion. Its more to do with the mainstreaming of BDSM. Its now seen as some fun, kinky sex you can have on the weekends and people take it at that level. 'nillas don't get the head space difference and those who are new and genuinely do want to be part of the lifestyle, only have what they picked up from some webpage while w*nking to go by. There is often very little in the way of protocol instruction they come across. What frustrates me more than anything are the ones who look on a porn site, then run around clubs waving riding crops in the air, thinking they know more than me because i have a collar around my neck. owned property of Sir Trisk Being your slave what should I do but tend Upon the hours, and times of your desire? Sonnet 57 - William Shakespeare Next page