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TSR : Web boards : O&P : "Promises vs Legally"
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Promises vs Legally (13)

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4 Jul 10, 8:32 PM
DarkSado
4 yrs
As others have said, it's not that easy to get someone declared legally incompetent. And, once done, It may not be reversable, or at the very least, quite difficult to do.

There are other ways. The slave could have property, wages, cars etc. put in the Masters name. There could be a trust fund set up in case the Master dies, or sets the slave free. These things are easily reversable. I Myself, would not resort to declaring one legally incompetent.

DarkSado

6 Jul 10, 5:19 PM
curious_bina
US(TN), 2 yrs

Milchvienhalter wrote:
Promises vs Legally

My question is this: How many go to the trouble of having their slave/submissive declared legally incompetent and the owner/dominant declared their ward? (please note that depending upon jurisdiction there are various levels of incompetency)

This slave's talked about the legal side of ownership with her Master. Signing over the "rights," of herself. Things that would give him access to her in the hospital if something happened, able to make legal decisions. Not in a deep discussion and she doesn't know much about it.

The reason for it was because he's against the concept of marriage. He doesn't like that it would give her rights over him. So this would be the alternative.

It would probably be a while before we made that decision, it's not one to take lightly. No time soon, but it's been discussed and is a future possibility.

-s

Always the curious one ~ s

9 Oct 10, 12:45 AM
Ubik_H
CA, 5 yrs
I think that law is greatly mis-understood.

Law and legality is a multi-layered affair, akin the old Windows 3.1 used to run atop of Dos 7.

The foundation of law is Anglo Saxon Common Law ASCL, in most Anglo-Saxon countries (Canada, New Zealand, England, USA, old british possessions islands, Australia, etc). Under that system of law, we are all equal under God (your Creator-God can be a peanut butte sandwich, it makes no difference). As such, no man or GROUP OF MEN can impose their views outside of what constitutes Natural Rights (right to be left alone, right to Property, to contract, to travel, to life). All these rights are negative rights, e.g. they start by "thou shalt not...". Thou shalt not defraud, steal, murder, bear false witness, injure someone else. The linchpin of it is consent. Under ASCL, I think you can have indentured servitude, and you can definitely have voluntary servitude.

Then there is the Roman-type of law, which comes from the Romans who bestowed legal personality to their boats. Boats are peculiar devices, and maritime voyage is dangerous.

-- little sidenote: the word "person" comes from the latin "persona", e.g. a theatre mask. Some sort of make-believe identity, that you can wear, or take away at will, but that you need to exist within the fiction of the theatre play". ---- end little sidenote

So, a boat being a person, a make-believe being, it was ran by the head, capita in latin, the captain. Other people were members (like a hand, a foot). When a member is sick, gangrened, acting wrongly, you cut it and throw it overboard. Members are subservient to the capita.

The whole legal codes under which we live are Roman-law based. We have persons (you ARE NOT a person, you HAVE a person, like you have a theatre mask) which we can slip out at will, providing we know how to do it. It is not a complex process, but it requires a lot of understanding.

The key steps are to 1- issue a notice of understanding to the gov't and the legal society that you are not a member of their society. See the definition of "society".

Realise that if you are now able, by lawyer's and judge's admission, to decode legal language, how could their words (statuses, acts, legislations) apply to you? To undestand is to STAND-UNDER, to accept submission to their rules. When the cop asks you "do you understand?" You can avoid charges by saying (among other things) No, I do not stand-under or under-stand. (there is more to it that just these words, these are not magic spells out of Harry Potter).

A status or an act is "a rule of a society which has been given the force of Law". Thus, it is obviously NOT Law.

And since under the base legal operating system of our countries, ASCL, no man or men can force any other man, it means that all obedience to statuses or acts require YOUR AGREEMENT and your CONSENT.

They have nasty language and cognitive tricks to get you to give the reasonable appearance of consent.

Example: if you are told "all you say will be held against you in a court of law, do you understand?" you should shut up. Contrarily to the previous statement, in that particular one, if you utter a word, you agree to appear in court. If you shut up to that one, and grin widely at them, they'll eventually have to let you go because they did not get consent.

Another example: cops always wait to see that you have a driving licence before using force on you, because before that, they simply act as peace officer instead of gov't agent (they didn't get your consent to rule you under gov't rules, so they'd commit assault). Once they have ascertained that you entered into voluntary servitude to them, they KNOW they have YOUR CONSENT to use whatever methods they want upon you.

Roman-type of law has many names: international law, contract law, maritime law, martial law, UCC, civil codes, etc.

(be patient, I'm getting there...)

Another example: when you are drafted in the army, the army can put you in a situation where you have great odds of being killed. Such odds are not accepted under normal work condition outside of the army. And if you refuse an order, you can be courtmartialled. What gives them the authority to enforce a situation that can lead to your death? YOUR CONSENT.

sidenote: signature on documents: blue ink, the color of the sea: commerce-admiralty, black ink: the color of the army, red ink, the color of blood, used for documents pertaining not to persons (legal fictions) but real live men and women. end sidenote

You can learn a lot of those notions on [url]http://www.ThinkFree.ca[/url] and in the main menu, view the videos in the EDUCATE section.

or [url]http://www.DetaxCanada.ORG[/url] (BEWARE: not the .com, as it is a misleading fake probably set up by gov't as a fishing net)

These sites are real navigation messes, you'll have to do a lot of exploring. They were designed by people into their own study topic, not by web designers.

The appear paranoid, and they probably are. But what led them to their paranoia is the actualy facts that they discovered.

So, if you issue a proper and lawful notice of understanding, and then a claim of right about your freedom to contract as a Man/Woman, you could pull yourself out from the jurisdiction of Roman-type rules and regulations (contract law) and then enter in a contract with your slave, as a Man/Woman with another Man/Woman UNDER GOD.

This could be a contract of voluntary servitude. The contract has to be properly notarized. Notaries are the jokers in the legal system deck, they have vast powers, way beyond the one they use on a day to day basis... Most notaries will refuse notarizing such documents, but they can be held liable to their oath of office (better go the non-confrontational way though).

But beware, God, even the Peanut-Butter Sandwich God, likes fair and honest contracts. If you abuse this, you'll get nailed too. Contracts have to be equitable and clearly spell the mutual services and gains to be obtained. I don't know if the contract can be made irrevocable.

In Roman-Law system, for example, a spouse can withdraw consent to sex any time she wants, ask for a cease and desist, and then have the other spouse charged for assault if the order to cease and desist was not obeyed. I am not clear about which jurisdiction this is adjudicated, what is the ultimate source of that possibility. (possibly, it is a limit set on Roman Law due to the fact that the keepers of the law are keeping the true nature of Law hidden from the public, and thus must be willing to provide them with an exit to prevent being charged themselves with abuse. Judges have very stricts oath of office.

Now, do not write back to me with questions, I cannot answer any of them in any useful way. Go read the material on the two websites, especially ThinkFree.ca, digest it, watch the videos posted on Youtube (several hours of conferences) and a picture will start to form in your mind. You'll need a few hundred hours of studying. But then, you'll learn how to get free of the legal tyranny too.

Many people will say "these guys are crack-pots". Yet, they routinely discharge students loans, traffic violation tickets, income tax bills, mortgages and car loans, all in full legality, to the satisfaction of all parties.

If you have only limited time, to get an idea, watch Rob Menard's videos in the Educate section of ThinkFree.ca .

I doubt he'll want to help you into structuring voluntary servitude contracts, though...

Enjoy.

 

 
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