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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Do you "buy/sell" for real?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Do you "buy/sell" for real? (71) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 7 Jan 12, 5:01 AM 822-492-813 US(KY), 17 mths Well, I have not been bought (that I know of) , but I was traded from one woman to another. They made the agreement without my knowledge or consent. I was introduced to my new owner at a vanilla party and went home with her that night. I am sure as a full grown man I could have said no, but I choose to play along and was with that owner for years. I cried the first night because I thought my previous owner did not love me, but my new owner was so kind and understanding about my dismay that I choose to stay. Just my 2 cents Peace Miss Kayla's toy 822-492-813 7 Jan 12, 5:12 AM mindControl_Master US(NY), 6 mths Y! I wouldn't buy or sell, even if it were legal across the entire planet. In the Shadows of the Darkest Places in your Mind 7 Jan 12, 9:04 AM 766-003-205 US(CA), 11 mths Y! 822-492-813 wrote: Well, I have not been bought (that I know of) , but I was traded from one woman to another. They made the agreement without my knowledge or consent. I was introduced to my new owner at a vanilla party and went home with her that night. I am sure as a full grown man I could have said no, but I choose to play along and was with that owner for years. I cried the first night because I thought my previous owner did not love me, but my new owner was so kind and understanding about my dismay that I choose to stay. Just my 2 cents Peace Miss Kayla's toy 822-492-813 i wonder if the new Owner knew you hadn't consented? 7 Jan 12, 10:11 AM 822-492-813 US(KY), 17 mths 766-003-205, Yes my 'new' owner in the transaction understood that I was not informed in advance of the transaction. She was told that I would go where and do what I was told. I was young at the time and just desired to be wanted. She was 14 years my senior and worked with my 'old' owner. She had heard many things about me apparently. I am fairly certain that no money changed hands, but neither of the women would ever comment on that. Miss Kayla's toy 822-492-813 7 Jan 12, 2:24 PM Hawklord UK, 6 yrs Interesting to see this thread continuing. I don't think I have commented on this thread but similar ones. With all due respect to Tanos and his admonitions 2 years ago he is in to BDSM, so I'm told. BDSM is illegal -it's assault. Most of what we do in BDSM or O/p is illegal - we are bound only by our moral values. We choose in what way we break the law. (BTW I recommend no-one says too much on this site as anyone can read it.) In another thread I discussed sale/auction of slaves. I was threatened with the law, which was unfair. My point at the time was that I had gone to some expense bringing the girl to my country and I felt that should be refunded. The master in question thought I should write that off as a loss and give the girl away. So some guy who has been looking unsuccessfully for a slave for maybe years now gets a chance to buy one. The moral dimension is that my girl agrees and trusts my judgment. But the guy, who might pay 5000 for a horse or 1000 for a dog won't pay 1000 for a real live girl, quoting the law. I know some people hate my analogy with buying and selling animals, but there are distinct parallels, both in terms of ownership and responsibility. I think MistressK and I are on similar wavelengths. My moral stance in this subject is I would not threaten the well being or health or safety of my girl. Just as no-one would sell a dog or horse without being sure it goes to a responsible owner. Note that in the case of my existing girls, I would never sell them and they would be horrified at the suggestion. But as we have seen from one of the male slaves here, some slaves recognise it as being part of what they are - property to be bought/sold/used as the owner wills. I have a feeling that male slaves fall into this mind-set more easily than the females, who more likely regard themselves as the property OF someone, rather than just property. Loyalty is a factor too. You may sell the slave but you can't sell loyalty. My ultimate guide is the rule of my particular spiritual system, which states "an it harm none do as ye will". If selling the slave is what you need to do and it does not harm the slave *in any way* (including psychologically) then it is justifiable, illegal or not. Sic volo. sic jubeo. stat pro ratione voluntas Edited 7 Jan 12, 4:56 PM by Hawklord 8 Jan 12, 2:18 PM LordClark31 US(NC), 4 yrs Y! all I have to say is this if the slave wanted this then I would have to hear this from her lips not just the Dom/Master that own her. 10 Jan 12, 6:58 PM Losalt NO, 4 mths Hawklord wrote: Interesting to see this thread continuing. I don't think I have commented on this thread but similar ones. With all due respect to Tanos and his admonitions 2 years ago he is in to BDSM, so I'm told. BDSM is illegal -it's assault. Most of what we do in BDSM or O/p is illegal - we are bound only by our moral values. We choose in what way we break the law. (BTW I recommend no-one says too much on this site as anyone can read it.) In another thread I discussed sale/auction of slaves. I was threatened with the law, which was unfair. My point at the time was that I had gone to some expense bringing the girl to my country and I felt that should be refunded. The master in question thought I should write that off as a loss and give the girl away. So some guy who has been looking unsuccessfully for a slave for maybe years now gets a chance to buy one. The moral dimension is that my girl agrees and trusts my judgment. But the guy, who might pay 5000 for a horse or 1000 for a dog won't pay 1000 for a real live girl, quoting the law. I know some people hate my analogy with buying and selling animals, but there are distinct parallels, both in terms of ownership and responsibility. I think MistressK and I are on similar wavelengths. My moral stance in this subject is I would not threaten the well being or health or safety of my girl. Just as no-one would sell a dog or horse without being sure it goes to a responsible owner. Note that in the case of my existing girls, I would never sell them and they would be horrified at the suggestion. But as we have seen from one of the male slaves here, some slaves recognise it as being part of what they are - property to be bought/sold/used as the owner wills. I have a feeling that male slaves fall into this mind-set more easily than the females, who more likely regard themselves as the property OF someone, rather than just property. Loyalty is a factor too. You may sell the slave but you can't sell loyalty. My ultimate guide is the rule of my particular spiritual system, which states "an it harm none do as ye will". If selling the slave is what you need to do and it does not harm the slave *in any way* (including psychologically) then it is justifiable, illegal or not. The part about BDSM practices being illegal is not really true in a lot of countries. Sure parts of it might be illegal some places, a few countries might have laws against all of it but there's also plenty of countries where bdsm practices are legal. As for O/p relationships being a bit outside the law, you might have a point there... But as long as you're sticking to internal restraint instead of external ones... *shrugs* Well, here's the website where I've found the most info about the law in my own country: http://www.revisef65.org/ I think there's quite a bit of info about the law in the US on this page: https://ncsfreedom.org/home-mainmenu-1.html Anyway, I would recommend everyone here to try to look up the local BDSM laws. *shrugs* For instance it's illegal in my own country to leave someone in bondage, having them in bondage in the first place isn't illegal though provided that it's consensual. Regarding sales... LordClark31 wrote: all I have to say is this if the slave wanted this then I would have to hear this from her lips not just the Dom/Master that own her. I agree with you there LordClark31. Edit: Just found this website: http://www.bdsmrights.com/ There's plenty of links from that page to other places with more info about the subject Including the two pages I mentioned further up... Edit2: Well, some parts are illegal most places. Here for instance serious permanent damage is illegal regardless how how consensual it is... And by the looks of it the government in the UK seem to be less then trilled by the lifestyle... (The Spencer case I think is the name of the most famous example) Edited 11 Jan 12, 1:25 AM by Losalt 11 Jan 12, 4:27 PM 765-968-123 MX, 2 yrs Y! Umbramajoris_01 wrote: Do you "buy/sell" for real? Would you turn someone in "offering" to sell you a slave over the internet? Or would you "sell/buy" a slave knowing it is illegal in 90% of Countries on this Planet? HAve you ever been offered such a deal, that didn't seem "consentual?" Just curious... Umramajoris Yes, I'd like being sold as slave. -_-_-{JoshBeta1}-_-_- 11 Jan 12, 7:40 PM 704-883-449 US(CO), 5 mths 993-237-046 wrote: Master4536 wrote: I have taken unruly new slaves to these auctions. They can see how easily and quickly they can be given away to another Master. For example, they can see Masters that are more interested in a slave just as S&m dungeon meat and entertainment for his friends; a life of perpetual pain until they are useless and given away to yet another Master, the slave being perpetually being passed and used. The slave can also see how other slaves are tattooed, branded or pierced by their Master, some even castrated within their first week with the new Master. It is at these auctions that a new slave can get a real feel for how they are just an insignificant part of a larger community of sub-human property. Down in history probly everything written here by Master4536 has probly happened to the losers of every battle that lost their victory and freedom in a war. Why would it stop just cuz somebody said it's illegal now? If a person wanted to be treated like a subhuman in our today time im certain there is another person that would be happy to help make it happen even in America. So what if there really is a slaver out there waiting and searching online or whatever for a person who admits to wanting slavery? *i was offered a oneway plane ticket by one in RL* Is the slaver doing anything wrong to kidnap and chain and control a person who has admitted they want slavery? I mean what if a person is just playing at slavery? Does the slaver know or care? They can make play become reality with just a plane ticket with a pretense of romance or a job offer cant they? Once your off a plane nobody knew you took you are totally in their hands. its easy to become subhuman if you allow yourself to be chained and controlled like i have in done in OSgrid and really until i will break my chains im just a pet on a leash. im caged and cuffed and gagged and totally controlled right now and have no choice about where or what happens to me. after months and months of this its only gotten very hard to want to break the chains myself. filly, pet of Walter 11 Jan 12, 8:41 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! Hawklord wrote: With all due respect to Tanos and his admonitions 2 years ago he is in to BDSM, so I'm told. BDSM is illegal -it's assault. Most of what we do in BDSM or O/p is illegal - we are bound only by our moral values. We choose in what way we break the law. If you read my post (the first reply to the OP), you'll see I was talking about the non-consensuality in the OP's scenario rather than its illegality. :T: www.tanos.org.uk Next page