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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Do you "buy/sell" for real?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Do you "buy/sell" for real? (71) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 6 Feb 11, 12:17 AM socair UK, 3 yrs pet_ka_MJ wrote: SeanT70 wrote: socair wrote: Master4536 wrote: When a person enters into a Master/slave arrangement, part of the agreement is fully acknowledging that being sold or traded to someone else is a possibility. The Master's reason for the trade and to whom the slave is sold is outside any control of the slave. The trade is consensual in that the slave agrees to it in advance as a condition of being a slave. That simply is not true for many M/s couples. The agreement is whatever the parties involved reach prior to any signing of a contract surely? I'm not convinced that isolating new slaves to promote a “deeper dependency” isn't abuse either. *my bold* This is subjective to any term set out in a specific contract, not all contracts, and really, especially now (these days), I find that you (generically-speaking) wouldn't find many slaves willingly enter into such a contract knowing that they would be permanently sold off, given that is, or more to the point, that's not who they signed up for. As for your comment regarding isolation being abuse, socair, that's rather subjective too, given that many couples and relationships thrive on this, but it's by far not the single tool to have a slave perform well. When a master/d-type knows what they're about, and do their job properly, isolation is one of many, not the only tool available, even if it is preferred, by one the other or both parties in the couple. That's just my take, btw. Regards, Sean. I learned a very valuable lesson over the last couple of months about judging other people's dynamics and WIITWD. Each dynamic is different and while we might find something icky or incomprehensible in our own dynamic... isolation, choking, spanking, spitting... fill in something you find icky here... it does not mean that everyone finds it awful... some people have a fine time engaging in activities neither my Master or I would try for love nor money. I have learned that when I get that eeeewwww that is icky feeling to just bite my tongue. Who am I to judge another person's dynamic... especially when I go bonkers when others judge mine. Personally, having seen social isolation gone bad... I have to agree with Sean... as one of many tools it might be effective... if managed by a Master who knows what they are doing. Again... it comes back to... knowing the risks and balancing out the positive and negative outcomes. Only the people in the dynamic engaging in the activity can judge that for themselves. And, they are not obligated to follow the advise of others so freely given here... kinda falls in the category of take what you like and leave the rest. So while I may not agree with how Master4536 lives his version of this lifestyle... it is none of my business... and there is probably a slave out there just waiting in the wings to be his slave... drooling at the prospect actually. The fact that the universe has not put the two together yet... is probably a good thing. So... I believe that as long as there was consent at some point in the transaction (and it can't hurt to do a little CYA - cover your ass - confirmation of consent before you continue). I also think the slave should be able to call it quits should they decide to revoke their consent (heaven forbid)... but it happens. Then I think the very fine line between fantasy and criminal has not been crossed. I seem to remember our local fire department having a roaringly good time last Valentine's Day (maybe it was the year before) selling off the hunky fire fighters to the highest female bidder for a day of free labour. It can be lots of fun for both the person being sold and the purchaser. I tell ya... put a dozen or so hunky fire fighters on the auction block and watch middle-aged matrons go bananas. There will always be those who wish to live this lifestyle as "authentically" as they perceive the slave life to be... and being sold to the highest bidder is just another manifestation of that. I think it could be lots of fun in the right context... not quite sure what that would be for me specifially... but there are many out there who could say what that is for them. Point taken and thanks guys, you've been very reasonable in response to a clumsy post on my part. I hadn't meant to suggest that isolation in itself is abusive. It was more that in the context of this post by Master4536 the potential for an abusive environment seemed so high. A person (who apparently is a slave for life, regardless of what changes) is moved to live in another country, presumably away from family and friends, to live with someone it sounds like they don't know, and whom they can't fully communicate with. If they are in the quoted 99.9% who want to run away then where or who can they go to, being so isolated? Having read a few more posts in a similar vein I realise there's nothing to be concerned about "Power does not corrupt man; fools, however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power". 6 Feb 11, 5:15 AM 993-237-046 US(OH), 5 yrs Y! Master4536 wrote: I have taken unruly new slaves to these auctions. They can see how easily and quickly they can be given away to another Master. For example, they can see Masters that are more interested in a slave just as S&m dungeon meat and entertainment for his friends; a life of perpetual pain until they are useless and given away to yet another Master, the slave being perpetually being passed and used. The slave can also see how other slaves are tattooed, branded or pierced by their Master, some even castrated within their first week with the new Master. It is at these auctions that a new slave can get a real feel for how they are just an insignificant part of a larger community of sub-human property. Sir, Are you saying you are aware of slaves being forcibly castrated without their expressed consent? That their original agreement to permanent slavery was enough? You talked about the sale being kept legal, but the this later bit sounds criminal. jeff SLRN 993-237-046 6 Feb 11, 8:02 AM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! 993-237-046 wrote: Master4536 wrote: I have taken unruly new slaves to these auctions. They can see how easily and quickly they can be given away to another Master. For example, they can see Masters that are more interested in a slave just as S&m dungeon meat and entertainment for his friends; a life of perpetual pain until they are useless and given away to yet another Master, the slave being perpetually being passed and used. The slave can also see how other slaves are tattooed, branded or pierced by their Master, some even castrated within their first week with the new Master. It is at these auctions that a new slave can get a real feel for how they are just an insignificant part of a larger community of sub-human property. Sir, Are you saying you are aware of slaves being forcibly castrated without their expressed consent? That their original agreement to permanent slavery was enough? You talked about the sale being kept legal, but the this later bit sounds criminal. Good point. These events he's claiming to have attended are so worried about legality the money goes to charity, but some of the participants are carrying out (home?!?!) castrations? Master4536, inventing experiences eventually catches you out. :T: www.tanos.org.uk Podcast: www.tanos.org.uk/weblog/podcast Next O&P Open: Manchester, Sat 19 Feb, 1pm - social - rountable discussion on O&P-D/s-M/s - meal afterwards 6 Feb 11, 4:29 PM papasboi 18 mths Hello Masters/Mistresses, slaves; although it would never want its MASTER to sell it, it has been trained and continues being trade that it is no longer human, it is indeed PAPA's OBJECT, to be used to benefit it's PAPA. MASTER PAPA would not need to benefit from it financially, as he will not even allow it to work other than in serving Him...however he has made it clear that once the permanent contract is signed (currently under consideration contract), it will be His to sell or trade if he ever desires (he did trade it once for a 24-hour period for use of a friends private plane). It would never want to not be with PAPA and therefore would neverb want to be sold, but once it is permanently collared, it is no longer its decision, as it truly will not allow itself to have rights if it is owned...it takes its enslavement literally whioch is how it needs to in order to psychologically serve its best... each slave is different...but it needs to serve on this level to truly serve... it would do as instricted by PAPA as it knows PAPA knows best... it asked PAPA what would become of it if something happened to PAPA and PAPA explained it will be willed as PAPA'S other assets. it truly trusts PAPA has only its best interest in mind and would never place it in a situation that would be harmful or dangerous. Thank Y/you for allowing it to share 6 Feb 11, 4:45 PM papasboi 18 mths Masters, Mistresses, and slaves; if it may chime in here again... it is very opposed to both being sold and being mutilated....but again...once permanently collared if it were MASTER PAPA's directive that it were to be castrated/neutered it would have no choice (this could possibly happen... as PAPA does not allow it to ever cum as it no longer should have the ability to cum and is being trained to not get erect)... its point is that it knows walking in the possibilities and it can now make the choices to walk away or find a MASTER whom is less extreme of ownership protocols... but it wished to proceed and become PAPA'S... for however HE wishes it to serve, be used, or abused... it is not interested in what is legal...it is interested in serving its PAPA. Slavery is consentual and it consentually transfers its life to PAPA ... but once trasnfererd it is no longer a consensual situation...as it does not want it to be... it is a slave for a reason... it knows not all slavesd feel this way... and yes alot of this comes from how it has been trained and programmed to think... but ultimately it would walk away if it did not agree with PAPA...as it has until May 1st to decide to walk or sign its permanent contract. It already knows it will sign, ready and eager for this new journey. 18 Feb 11, 6:06 PM 104-237-040 US(FL), 3 yrs Y! I would be willing to be part of that 7 Jan 12, 2:06 AM Squeak US(TX), 3 yrs That is deeply disturbing, I would say that true submission is a "camodaty" that is beyond buying and selling. It can only be earned and anyone that is "selling" is low. Submission is the most beautiful expression of love. Edited 7 Jan 12, 2:08 AM by Squeak 7 Jan 12, 2:50 AM LordMontique US(CA), 4 mths Y! Umbramajoris_01 wrote: Do you "buy/sell" for real? Would you turn someone in "offering" to sell you a slave over the internet? Or would you "sell/buy" a slave knowing it is illegal in 90% of Countries on this Planet? HAve you ever been offered such a deal, that didn't seem "consentual?" Just curious... Umramajoris I would IMMEDIATELY report this to the authorities. No questions, no second thoughts, no reservations! No one should submit to anyone without 7 Jan 12, 3:01 AM 766-003-205 US(CA), 11 mths Y! Malkinius wrote: Greetings.... Umbramajoris_01 wrote: Do you "buy/sell" for real? Would you turn someone in "offering" to sell you a slave over the internet? Or would you "sell/buy" a slave knowing it is illegal in 90% of Countries on this Planet? HAve you ever been offered such a deal, that didn't seem "consentual?" Just curious... Umramajoris Well.....I can say that I have sold two slaves I owned to their new owners. The first was on her wedding night to her new husband. The second was a few months later to her fiance whom she moved in with. In that case, the money changed hands before she actually moved but that delay was only for work reasons. So yes, you can say that I have done so. Now, in each of those cases the transfer was worked out and agreed to by all parties including the slaves in advance of the "sale". So, was this a real purchase or was it a bit of theater involved in the transfer from one owner to another? I will note that only the new owner and I know how much money, and it was real money, changed hands. Be well.... Malkinius i would venture to say your training time was worth something. i wouldn't think you are a volunteer trainer! 7 Jan 12, 3:35 AM Malkinius US(IL), 5 yrs Greetings.... 766-003-205 wrote: i would venture to say your training time was worth something. i wouldn't think you are a volunteer trainer! It certainly feels like it at times. Be well... Malkinius Next page