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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Do you "buy/sell" for real?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Do you "buy/sell" for real? (71) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 1 Feb 11, 6:59 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs gimpmaster79 wrote: you know you say that buying a slave is wrong and i agree with you. and luckily i have never been offered one either. but wouldnt you all wrestle with your soul about wether it is good to buy her and release her or buy her and offer her a better life i know it is illegal and would therefore never do it. but wouldnt you feel guilty know she is being treated unfairly or worse. so where do we draw the line both morally and physically. and why isnt prostitution de criminalised and made legal the government could then tax the fuck out of it. help pay for there mistresses If someone is being treated unfairly or worse, then one could work to free the slave through other ways. As this is all about being consenual though, it would be up to them to say whether they needed to be rescued. Prostitution does not go hand in hand with WIITWD. If a Master pimps his slave out then I would have to say there is something morally wrong with that M and would be a totally different subject. There may be some subs/slaves/property that are prostitutes but the majority of prostitutes are not s/s/p's. Have a great day. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away - unknown 2 Feb 11, 9:47 AM Master4536 US(IL), 22 mths When a person enters into a Master/slave arrangement, part of the agreement is fully acknowledging that being sold or traded to someone else is a possibility. The Master's reason for the trade and to whom the slave is sold is outside any control of the slave. The trade is consensual in that the slave agrees to it in advance as a condition of being a slave. Of course, it is not legally binding and neither are any of the contracts or written agreements. But, they do serve as proof of an arranged and agreed upon relationship. They also help point out the details and what is to be expected. In terms of actually selling a slave, I haven't personally done it, but I have attended auctions where it was taking place and I had the opportunity to buy a slave if I wanted. To keep it legal, all of the proceeds go to charity, but the actual physical transfer of a slave from one Master to another is real. The slaves are transported completely nude, zero personal possessions, with one Master removing his collar from the slave as the new Master attaches his. Each Master eventually gets a reputation for the quality and condition of the slaves they sell. While no money goes to the selling Master, it is not unusual for that Master to receive a very generous Christmas or birthday present a bit later in the year if the slave pleases the new Master. In one particular sale, the Master was from a non-English speaking country, and he arranged to have the slave "warehoused" in another Master's basement, until a passport could be obtained for the slave. The slave had no choice, and perhaps worse was that the slave could not speak the language of his Master. Getting a slave internationally adds a new dimension to the enslavement as the slave feels further isolated and requires a deeper dependency on his Master. I have taken unruly new slaves to these auctions. They can see how easily and quickly they can be given away to another Master. For example, they can see Masters that are more interested in a slave just as S&m dungeon meat and entertainment for his friends; a life of perpetual pain until they are useless and given away to yet another Master, the slave being perpetually being passed and used. The slave can also see how other slaves are tattooed, branded or pierced by their Master, some even castrated within their first week with the new Master. It is at these auctions that a new slave can get a real feel for how they are just an insignificant part of a larger community of sub-human property. So, when I get a slave that has never served as permanent property, I make very sure they understand what they are getting into. It is a completely different world, an entirely new life, and one they cannot reverse. For 99.9%, it scares the shit out of them, and I let them know that many less caring Masters won't bother to fully disclose what is about to happen so the new slave doesn't run off. The other .1% can't believe they have found what their heart has always been seeking, and they are eager to be owned. Edited 2 Feb 11, 10:03 AM by Master4536 2 Feb 11, 10:09 AM cadenas US, 6 yrs Tanos wrote: Umbramajoris_01 wrote: Do you "buy/sell" for real? Would you turn someone in "offering" to sell you a slave over the internet? Or would you "sell/buy" a slave knowing it is illegal in 90% of Countries on this Planet? HAve you ever been offered such a deal, that didn't seem "consentual?" Just curious... I'd hope that no one here would have anything to do with that kind of non-consensuality. Who says that it's non-consensual? If we are talking about buying a *non-consensual* slave, I agree with you, but for some people, consensual non-consent is an important aspect of being a slave. I would personally prefer to buy a slave (as long as I know that the person has consented to being a slave) rather than having a slave choose to become my slave - choosing is more for a submissive than a slave. If the slave has no say in me being the owner, it makes the enslavement far deeper. It's only when the slave has no say in being a slave that it is fundamentally wrong. Needless to say, if there is any indication that the slave didn't consent or that the consent didn't include the right to be sold, I would release the slave, or whatever it took. 2 Feb 11, 4:00 PM zhurendragon US(IL), 18 mths Y! I've been offered, and from what I could tell the girls were not consenting. I turned them in. That being said, if the girl is consenting, as in actually wants to be sold I have no problem at all with it. 2 Feb 11, 9:39 PM 194-071-685 US(MA), 2 yrs yes !!!!! 3 Feb 11, 7:24 AM 889-806-080 US, 5 yrs God, I love slaveregister!!! If the slave consents, then there is not problem. It the slave does not consent, no sale! Yours 3 Feb 11, 1:05 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! cadenas wrote: Tanos wrote: Umbramajoris_01 wrote: HAve you ever been offered such a deal, that didn't seem "consentual?" I'd hope that no one here would have anything to do with that kind of non-consensuality. Who says that it's non-consensual? Er, the question I was replying to did. See above. :T: www.tanos.org.uk Podcast: www.tanos.org.uk/weblog/podcast Next O&P Open: Manchester, Sat 19 Feb, 1pm - social - rountable discussion on O&P-D/s-M/s - meal afterwards 4 Feb 11, 12:12 AM socair UK, 3 yrs Master4536 wrote: When a person enters into a Master/slave arrangement, part of the agreement is fully acknowledging that being sold or traded to someone else is a possibility. The Master's reason for the trade and to whom the slave is sold is outside any control of the slave. The trade is consensual in that the slave agrees to it in advance as a condition of being a slave. That simply is not true for many M/s couples. The agreement is whatever the parties involved reach prior to any signing of a contract surely? I'm not convinced that isolating new slaves to promote a “deeper dependency” isn't abuse either. "Power does not corrupt man; fools, however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power". 4 Feb 11, 12:32 AM SeanT70 9 yrs socair wrote: Master4536 wrote: When a person enters into a Master/slave arrangement, part of the agreement is fully acknowledging that being sold or traded to someone else is a possibility. The Master's reason for the trade and to whom the slave is sold is outside any control of the slave. The trade is consensual in that the slave agrees to it in advance as a condition of being a slave. That simply is not true for many M/s couples. The agreement is whatever the parties involved reach prior to any signing of a contract surely? I'm not convinced that isolating new slaves to promote a “deeper dependency” isn't abuse either. *my bold* This is subjective to any term set out in a specific contract, not all contracts, and really, especially now (these days), I find that you (generically-speaking) wouldn't find many slaves willingly enter into such a contract knowing that they would be permanently sold off, given that is, or more to the point, that's not who they signed up for. As for your comment regarding isolation being abuse, socair, that's rather subjective too, given that many couples and relationships thrive on this, but it's by far not the single tool to have a slave perform well. When a master/d-type knows what they're about, and do their job properly, isolation is one of many, not the only tool available, even if it is preferred, by one the other or both parties in the couple. That's just my take, btw. Regards, Sean. 4 Feb 11, 4:31 AM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs SeanT70 wrote: socair wrote: Master4536 wrote: When a person enters into a Master/slave arrangement, part of the agreement is fully acknowledging that being sold or traded to someone else is a possibility. The Master's reason for the trade and to whom the slave is sold is outside any control of the slave. The trade is consensual in that the slave agrees to it in advance as a condition of being a slave. That simply is not true for many M/s couples. The agreement is whatever the parties involved reach prior to any signing of a contract surely? I'm not convinced that isolating new slaves to promote a “deeper dependency” isn't abuse either. *my bold* This is subjective to any term set out in a specific contract, not all contracts, and really, especially now (these days), I find that you (generically-speaking) wouldn't find many slaves willingly enter into such a contract knowing that they would be permanently sold off, given that is, or more to the point, that's not who they signed up for. As for your comment regarding isolation being abuse, socair, that's rather subjective too, given that many couples and relationships thrive on this, but it's by far not the single tool to have a slave perform well. When a master/d-type knows what they're about, and do their job properly, isolation is one of many, not the only tool available, even if it is preferred, by one the other or both parties in the couple. That's just my take, btw. Regards, Sean. I learned a very valuable lesson over the last couple of months about judging other people's dynamics and WIITWD. Each dynamic is different and while we might find something icky or incomprehensible in our own dynamic... isolation, choking, spanking, spitting... fill in something you find icky here... it does not mean that everyone finds it awful... some people have a fine time engaging in activities neither my Master or I would try for love nor money. I have learned that when I get that eeeewwww that is icky feeling to just bite my tongue. Who am I to judge another person's dynamic... especially when I go bonkers when others judge mine. Personally, having seen social isolation gone bad... I have to agree with Sean... as one of many tools it might be effective... if managed by a Master who knows what they are doing. Again... it comes back to... knowing the risks and balancing out the positive and negative outcomes. Only the people in the dynamic engaging in the activity can judge that for themselves. And, they are not obligated to follow the advise of others so freely given here... kinda falls in the category of take what you like and leave the rest. So while I may not agree with how Master4536 lives his version of this lifestyle... it is none of my business... and there is probably a slave out there just waiting in the wings to be his slave... drooling at the prospect actually. The fact that the universe has not put the two together yet... is probably a good thing. So... I believe that as long as there was consent at some point in the transaction (and it can't hurt to do a little CYA - cover your ass - confirmation of consent before you continue). I also think the slave should be able to call it quits should they decide to revoke their consent (heaven forbid)... but it happens. Then I think the very fine line between fantasy and criminal has not been crossed. I seem to remember our local fire department having a roaringly good time last Valentine's Day (maybe it was the year before) selling off the hunky fire fighters to the highest female bidder for a day of free labour. It can be lots of fun for both the person being sold and the purchaser. I tell ya... put a dozen or so hunky fire fighters on the auction block and watch middle-aged matrons go bananas. There will always be those who wish to live this lifestyle as "authentically" as they perceive the slave life to be... and being sold to the highest bidder is just another manifestation of that. I think it could be lots of fun in the right context... not quite sure what that would be for me specifially... but there are many out there who could say what that is for them. "With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity." ~ Keshavan Nair Edited 4 Feb 11, 4:35 AM by pet_ka_MJ Next page