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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Babies..." 1 2 3 4 5 6 Babies... (55) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Fri 15 Jan 10, 8:23 PM 978-291-889 2 yrs Having children is a massive decision in any relationship. It is difficult when one person wants children and the other doesn't. I am wondering if any slaves have had to relinquish their dreams of having children as part of IE? Have any Owners supported their property through this due to having different/changing goals in life? Have any slaves experienced the 'need' for a child being greater than the 'need' to be owned? Or vice-versa? Are babies a 'need' or a 'want'? As IE deepens and progresses, does it become easier to listen to the biological clock inside? Is it possible to make the broody feeling go away completely through submission? Thank you in advance for your thoughts on this. The cuffs and ropes might have to be removed in the morning... but the bonds of love stretch as far as 2 people can roam. 15 Jan 10, 9:18 PM the_boi UK, 7 yrs £ Y! as a male slave - because we do exist - i quite fancy children - however because of my lifestyle i think it would be inappropriate - however with discussion anything can happy - though as any family if both want, it works. Your post was very biased towards female slaves - it is worth mentioning that male slaves might want children too. Though i appreciate the subtle fact that being gay makes it a bit harder ! the_boi 000-636-428 "where will your service take you today!" 15 Jan 10, 9:49 PM IsabellaGrace UK, 3 yrs I consider myself to be very lucky; neither Master nor I want children, so for us this is not an issue. Many people (not knowing the full dynamic of our relationship) do think that I, in particular, will change my mind about this in the future, but I really can't ever see that happening. I don't know if my thoughts are unique here or if others share them; it would be interesting to hear... this isn't a topic that appears to come up for discussion often. I wish others well in whatever choices they make for themselves or that others guide them in making. angelbella 15 Jan 10, 11:27 PM 978-291-889 2 yrs the_boi wrote: as a male slave - because we do exist - (snip) Your post was very biased towards female slaves - it is worth mentioning that male slaves might want children too. I tried to make my post as 'gender-neutral' as possible and I'm sorry you read it as being aimed at female slaves. My post was aimed at ALL slaves who feel the 'need' to pro-create, it is a human urge. At no point did I mention male or female, nor did I mention sexuality. Sexuality does not prevent someone from wanting/having children... I am interested in whether submission alone can supress the chemicals that result in broodiness - some people experience it, some don't. The cuffs and ropes might have to be removed in the morning... but the bonds of love stretch as far as 2 people can roam. 16 Jan 10, 1:01 AM MasterMezs_Rosie UK, 3 yrs I have always wanted to have children and becoming a slave hasn't changed that. Fortunately my Master would also like children in the future, whereas my heart is telling me I want one now but my head is telling my that it isn't the right time (I'm 20years old). I don't think submission will ever change my want to have children and at somepoint in the future I feel that the need to bear a child might outweigh my want to serve but I think that would only occur should my biological clock be running out of time. I've found that serving my Master calms my want for a child slightly, mostly because the side of me which wants to look after something cute is being satisfied...for the time being. With regards to whether I 'need' or 'want' children, I think it's both. I've always WANTED children and I'm now starting to feel as though I NEED to have children in my life. Rosie With enough lube and physical effort- anything is possible ^_~ 16 Jan 10, 1:22 AM 318-068-287 US(TX), 6 yrs Y! The feeling will never be completely sublimated. If you really want children, you will always want them. I am the very lucky father of two wonderful children. While they present very unique complications to the lifstyle, they are far worth the extra hassle. Of course, I think it is easier for a submissive male to support a dominant female through pregnancy and child birth than the other way around. After all, a male sub won't blink an eye when she threatens to beat the hell out of him for doing this to her, while a dominant male may have a difference of opinion. I was lucky in that regard, my Lady had two easy pregnancies followed by easy births. I have always felt the need for children and having them has made me a better sub for my Lady than I was before. A dog on a leash can still bite your hand off. 16 Jan 10, 3:28 AM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs Not ever having been particularly interested in having children myself, I can't comment re: its possible effects on submission and IE or vice versa. But I do think a person should be as settled in their thinking as they can be on it before committing to any power exchange relationship. I think the best thing any child can have is two self-directed and fully empowered parents. It's true that that doesn't happen more often than it does, but I would never intentionally involve a child in a situation of anything less if I could help it. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 16 Jan 10, 5:04 AM 898-443-818 US, 5 yrs i am not sure how my reply will help with the question but here it goes. When i met Master i had a child from a previous vanilla relationship. i was open to having more children or not, whatever He wished, when we met. We did try to have more children, and as it turns out, i cannot have more (well, nothing is impossible, but most likely i cannot have more). So the vanilla me did want a child and had one, before i was in the lifestyle, and the slave me would have done whatever Master wished. Circumstances have made Master's decision for Him in this case, so we have left it up to fate for the most part. We don't use protection, so if something should happen, great, if not, that is OK too. i am unsure if the pull to have children with Master would be far greater if i did not have one already. But the fact that He took both of us made Him all that much more wonderful in my eyes, and even greater, His love & caring for me is not affected by my lack of fertility. Instead of being down about the fact that i am barren (that word just makes me laugh for some reason hehe ) i try to look on the bright side, one of them being, we have an older child and we are not in "baby jail".. she is getting to the age where she is out and about, bed time is bed time, and we have a fair amount of privacy, and also a good relationship with her. PS, a very good question, and a i truly look forward to the responses! 898-443-818 17 Jan 10, 2:47 AM nequam AU, 6 yrs i spent most of my life wanting children, even as a child i wanted to be a mother. Funny, i never thought i would be just wanted to be. Master isn't fussed either way, He'd be happy if i did become pregnant and quite happy if i don't. It's all pretty moot anyway because i am most likely infertile from PCOS and now in my 40s i consider myself too old to be having a first child. Does the desire stay with you always? It can. If you accept the situation you are in then you can learn to relinquish that desire. i have. Or you can get a pet and make it your furchild, which is what a lot of people seem to be doing these days. owned property of Sir Trisk Being your slave what should I do but tend Upon the hours, and times of your desire? Sonnet 57 - William Shakespeare 17 Jan 10, 10:38 AM dorine_van_Frank NL, 4 yrs Hello everyone, 898-443-818 wrote: But the fact that He took both of us made Him all that much more wonderful in my eyes i can relate to this. i too had a 1,5 year old son when Frank and i met. i never planned to have children, although i felt very, very warm towards children in general. Life doesn't always go as planned or wanted. So in my case: things weren't sorted out when i became a mother. But it was so wonderfull and opened my heart and my eyes (i was in a bad vanilla relationship unfortunately at the time) and motherhood brought so much good things in me to the surface: a new dimension in my life i had never expected. So: everything about parenthood is - imho- theorie, untill you deal with it in reality. That said, i would not recommend people to follow in my footsteps as far as (short term) single parenting concerns, but looking back: it brought me many good things. And meeting Frank and seeing how he dealt with our situation, how responsabel he was: things became clear very, very soon and we both moved into his house within a few month. It was an all or nothing deal, somehow. That was in 2001, we're still together, he became the father of our son (adopted him)and three years ago our daughter was born. We are absolutely happy with our children. We call them our vanilla's Children make a relationship different, there's no use in denying that. i can very much understand Owners (or slaves) who decide not to have children in order to really live the M/s lifestyle their own way. Especially young children make it hard to control your own time or your slaves time for that matter) So i realise the 'downside' to M/s relationships, absolutely. But still, our M/s is no compromise. We deal with the challenge to include everything in living as Owner/property, even the vanilla sides of our lives (like jobs and children). Does this answer the question? i don't know. i have never been with my Owner, nor in another M/s relationship without children, so what do i know? i became 'wholer', healthier since i'm a mother and this led me to search out my strange feelings: submissiveness...and that is how i met Frank. Had i done this without my son? Had i done this without the joy and sorrow surrounding his birth and the way it confronted me with myself and my shortcomings and the shortcommings of my relationship at the time? so for me: motherhood made me search out my submissive side, that led to M/s and much happyness.... life can be so complicated sometimes) i'm very interested in others peoples stories! greetings, dorine 17 Jan 10, 2:00 PM 978-291-889 2 yrs Thank you for the replies so far... The cuffs and ropes might have to be removed in the morning... but the bonds of love stretch as far as 2 people can roam. Next page