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	TSR : Web boards : O&P : "Submissive or Slaves?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Submissive or Slaves? (65) This post is on the O&P web board. 18 Jan 10, 11:05 PM 898-443-818 US, 5 yrs Roke, you have given me the courage to say this: i am a slave because upon talking to me, before we even met in person, Master told me i was a slave. It was a wonderful title and i have happily been a slave since. i once asked why He felt i was a slave not a submissive and His answer was that i have no limits-when we first met He went through an exhaustive list of activities and i said i would do anything once and then convey my opinion. And hopefully He would take my opinion into account as to doing that activity again. So, that is just my Master's opinion. 898-443-818 21 Jan 10, 6:27 PM 741-498-880 4 yrs What about those of us who are owned, but not submissive? Some of my thoughts on being prey, rather than submissive. While I have always fit in more with the Owner/property people than I ever have the Dominant/submissive type communities, I still couldn't quite describe our dynamic, or really put it into words when I could see that I wasn't the "submissive" kind of girl. Here's what I think it is. I am not submissive, but I do respond prey-like to men who are predisposed for the hunt, the stalking, and the conquering of a woman. What I respond to is the predator in them. Domination isn't as simple to me as being able to lead, being dominant is a wonderful thing, but it doesn't stir my blood like the predator does. I need to feel like less than him to surrender. That I was the weaker one on the food chain, that he was the alpha, and I wouldn't win in a battle of the wills, the challenge of authority. I think Predators see most people as prey, the few they don't, they either avoid or befriend. I don't think a submissive person is the SAME as a person who wants to be prey, and I think maybe, for someone who has a predator vibe, it is simply finding someone who wants to be their prey, and I think a submissive person might respond to that vibe, but in the long run, it would destroy them emotionally. I don't think they have the same wiring as a person who identifies so strongly with the prey instincts. I think it's a relationship that most people can't relate too, it's a balance between two possible people who may both identify as dominant, except one will bow to that of the uber predator. Sort of how a mountain lion can take down a wolf. Both are dominant, alpha predators, but one is an uber bad ass predator, and the other hunts in packs. It isn't the fact that I have any submission to give. It is the fact that he can conquer me. That he can take what he want, that he can control me through brute force if necessary, and I respect the dynamic we have because of this unique situation and personalities. I also don't think I could just blindly follow, or willingly submit. I don't submit graciously, I don't submit easily, I don't even WANT to obey. But, I do respond to the predator vibe, and because of that, my submission to him, and obedience to him is because he can aggressively take me down and out if needed. It's not this active, logical, thought out, graceful thing. It's primal, animalistic. Sheer, animal aggression and power in a powerful man form of 6 feet of muscle. Sharp teeth, and big strong hands to bend and break me if it needs to be done. Without that fear there, I wouldn't feel satisfied. Without the darker nature he has, I wouldn't respect him. Without that predator aggression, I would walk all over him and rule our home. He has me firmly on the end of his leash, I might have teeth and claws and nails, He doesn't care if he gets a few bruises of his own, or if I bite or scratch him. He just picks me up by the scruff of the neck and makes me squeak and submit. Even if I don't want too. Edited 21 Jan 10, 6:29 PM by 741-498-880 26 Jan 10, 3:51 AM TheLegend UK, 2 yrs My definition of the term submissive and a slave may be different to some of you. Submissive - a person that is willingly obedient. A submissive is truly NOT the property of the dominant partner, because the sub chooses to submit and can essentially refuse to obey. Slave - a person who cannot disobey their owners/masters wishes. They are therefore a property serving their master. They cannot choose, everything is chosen by their owner. Edited 26 Jan 10, 7:11 PM by TheLegend 26 Jan 10, 7:56 PM mutable 2 yrs I apologise if I'm repeating what others have said - but it appears the main difference between sub/slave is purely ownership. Correct? Therefore, the level of submission is no indicator - only that one is 'owned', regardless of the level of submission required? If this is so, does ownership mean that if the current level of submission is changed in any significant way, the 'property' *must* adhere to this? Whereas a 'sub', also in a 24/7 dynamic, does not? And if this is the case, (since relationships are often evolving) is a Op contract then not used in a similar fashion to the submissive renegotiating limits etc? I hope I've made myself clear and sorry if not. I even lost myself in the middle Caveat : Non offensive and always learning. 27 Jan 10, 8:07 AM 654-189-820 SE, 5 yrs I see a big difference if we talk slaves within the Ownership culture and not within the bdsm-playscene where cool words are most important A slave is an owned individual. It has no rights other then the ones its Owner gives it. Its is what its Owner wishes it to be. A submissive is un-owned and therefore chooses when and where and to whom and under witch circumstances it submittes. It has the right to negotiate the terms. “There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground.” -Jalal ad-Din Rumi 27 Jan 10, 4:47 PM 741-498-880 4 yrs TheLegend wrote: My definition of the term submissive and a slave may be different to some of you. Submissive - a person that is willingly obedient. A submissive is truly NOT the property of the dominant partner, because the sub chooses to submit and can essentially refuse to obey. Slave - a person who cannot disobey their owners/masters wishes. They are therefore a property serving their master. They cannot choose, everything is chosen by their owner. I can't agree. I am not always obedient, I don't always choose to obey, but I am not a submissive person either. I am however, owned property and he will make me obey. LOL 27 Jan 10, 6:26 PM SeanT70 9 yrs Geminaecho wrote: Submissive or Slaves? whats the difference between a sub and a slave? ..You can eat a sub! Sean. (Eat Fresh for those that don't get the plug!) 28 Jan 10, 3:27 AM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs SeanT70 wrote: ..You can eat a sub! Sean. (Eat Fresh for those that don't get the plug!) Gees, the closest Subway or even sub shop is a 4hr drive at the moment!! lol, 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away 28 Jan 10, 3:44 AM TheLegend UK, 2 yrs jakesemma wrote: TheLegend wrote: My definition of the term submissive and a slave may be different to some of you. Submissive - a person that is willingly obedient. A submissive is truly NOT the property of the dominant partner, because the sub chooses to submit and can essentially refuse to obey. Slave - a person who cannot disobey their owners/masters wishes. They are therefore a property serving their master. They cannot choose, everything is chosen by their owner. I can't agree. I am not always obedient, I don't always choose to obey, but I am not a submissive person either. I am however, owned property and he will make me obey. LOL You are forced to obey; "he will make me" --> slave Submissive --> person that submits or chooses to obey, essentially allowing their partner to dominate. You say you don't obey and you're not a submissive? I do not recall ever saying a submissive always obeys. 9/10 a submissive obeys because they feel secure and protected under the guidance of their dominant partner. ======== Look up historical slaves --> were they all submissive? No. Gladiators were sometimes slaves, they had no choice but to obey, otherwise they would be killed. Submissive housewife chooses to obey her husband by saying "yes" to him when he proposes to her. I am sure that most know (...) what they're doing and had in no way been tortured to say "yes". 654-189-820 wrote: I see a big difference if we talk slaves within the Ownership culture and not within the bdsm-playscene where cool words are most important A slave is an owned individual. It has no rights other then the ones its Owner gives it. Its is what its Owner wishes it to be. A submissive is un-owned and therefore chooses when and where and to whom and under witch circumstances it submittes. It has the right to negotiate the terms. I agree. Though submitting to a witch may not be a good idea. LMAO Edited 28 Jan 10, 4:00 AM by TheLegend 28 Jan 10, 3:48 AM 721-832-383 US, 3 yrs smiles...and it does seem as though there have been many replies to this Thread, but well maybe it will show a little about how this ones own thought process functions to answer anyways, this is only my own opinion here as there are many, a sub to this one, is one who has a great need, desire or willingness to submit to One not all but One, a sub has rights and opinions and can add or take away from the relationship, meaning the sub maintains a portion of impute hence a level of control is still factored in, where a slave gives up willingly (we all hope) all rights and relinquishes everything to the Master, hence entrusting all choices and decisions to be made completely unto and up to the Master. (strictly for myself only) Also this one believes that it is a transition from submissive to slave, through the submission and in time it would become inevitable for a submissive to desire to move forward in the devotion with the Master, to want to transition to slave hood, and complete service with their entirety. Walking into a relationship as a slave without the prior time and effort spent learning and honing the relationship, can be detrimental, if one does not understand the expectations and limits and boundary's of a life without rights and the fundamentals of laying this solid foundation. property of Quynn Next page