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	TSR : Web boards : O&P : "Submissive or Slaves?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Submissive or Slaves? (65) This post is on the O&P web board. Mon 11 Jan 10, 3:49 PM Geminaecho CA, 2 yrs I was having a discussion today with my slave and we have seem to have had a difference in opinion, so I would like yours.. whats the difference between a sub and a slave? 11 Jan 10, 6:04 PM De_Luxe UK, 4 yrs If you would like the O&P definitions these are here http://www.ownership-possession.com/manifesto 11 Jan 10, 8:01 PM Geminaecho CA, 2 yrs The reason I ask this is my 'slave' and I were having a discussion and he was convinced that there was no difference in a sub and a slave.. I disagree with him. We have a unique relationship as he has MD, so we do use a safe word.. but I give him permission to (although he has never had to use it) He lives to serve and please me and is collared and tagged by me. I think our relationship lays somewhere right in between due to his illness and the fragilness of it. Any views on this would be great. Thanks Geminaecho 11 Jan 10, 9:55 PM francesca 2 yrs to me, subs have a say in what goes on whereas a slave gives up all rights to their Master. There's a big difference between them. This website was an interesting read for me... http://www.westom.com/leather/nine_degrees_of_su... 11 Jan 10, 11:45 PM 996-150-083 4 yrs As a slave it is owned property. it does not have any right to choose to submit to it's Owner's demands. 996-150-083 - Slave and owned property of Mistress Tamara. it exists only to worship and obey it's Owner, Mistress Tamara. Severe discipline is a necessary part of it's slave training - both daily maintenance discipline as well as corrective discipline. 12 Jan 10, 1:23 AM 318-068-287 US(TX), 6 yrs Y! I would have to say that there is definitly a difference. I am a sub, but not a slave. My mentality does not fit that of a slave. I follow my Lady as a packmate follows the alpha of the pack. I am definitly the subordinate member and have no desire to be the alpha. I only must have an alpha that demonstrates the ability to be in control of me. For I cannot be trusted to operate in society under my own auspices. A dog on a leash can still bite your hand off. 12 Jan 10, 3:57 AM nequam AU, 6 yrs There is definitely a difference. A submissive is allowed to have limits and assert them in the relationship through the use of a safeword/s. A slave has no rights to anything (even the clothing on their back), except for what is granted to them. i would say your slave is a slave and not a submissive. he only has a safeword because You granted it due to his medical condition. To my mind, him being fragile has nothing to do with him being a slave. he serves in every way he can. What do people think of submissive slaves? i consider myself a submissive slave because though i am slave, i still have the desire to serve and please as a submissive, that is the mentality of a submissive. owned property of Sir Trisk Being your slave what should I do but tend Upon the hours, and times of your desire? Sonnet 57 - William Shakespeare 12 Jan 10, 12:17 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! Geminaecho wrote: whats the difference between a sub and a slave? A slave is always someone who is owned. In our terms, slaves are submissives (ie people who submitted in a consensual way) who are owned. This just shifts the question onto "What is the difference between being owned and non-owned?" of course Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk O&P: Possession. Ownership. Consent. Responsibility. Respect. House. Service. Dignity. Authenticity. Rituals. 12 Jan 10, 9:30 PM 843-855-642 UK, 2 yrs Geminaecho wrote: whats the difference between a sub and a slave? Submissives are as beer, slaves are as ale. All ale is beer, but not all beer is ale. 12 Jan 10, 10:04 PM francesca 2 yrs 843-855-642 wrote: Geminaecho wrote: whats the difference between a sub and a slave? Submissives are as beer, slaves are as ale. All ale is beer, but not all beer is ale. Fantastic analogy! 13 Jan 10, 12:23 AM 318-068-287 US(TX), 6 yrs Y! 843-855-642 wrote: Geminaecho wrote: whats the difference between a sub and a slave? Submissives are as beer, slaves are as ale. All ale is beer, but not all beer is ale. That is the best I've seen yet! LOVE IT. A dog on a leash can still bite your hand off. Next page