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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Third Person?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Third Person? (70) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 14 Jan 10, 2:32 PM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs I don't think that *YOU* lack logic, either in your obedience or in your technical use of 3rd person speech. My meaning is that I don't think whether a person uses 3rd as an act of compliance or simply of their own druthers is relevant to a discussion of its logic or usefulness *on these boards*. It's definitely a common factor in why it is done, and in those cases where it is a factor the responsibility for its use is obviously shared by both the poster and his/her d-type. But because the community effect is the same no matter whose agency the poster is acting under, the agency itself isn't relevant. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) Edited 14 Jan 10, 2:33 PM by EvaMaria 14 Jan 10, 3:50 PM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs the_boi wrote: Proper respect via speech and actions is responsible and a logical step for a slave to show to a free person or Dom/Master/Mistress. Respect is earned, yet common courtesy to all as demanded by the situation and determined by my Owner. There is a habit among some Doms/Masters/Mistresses that I have encountered since venturing into this lifestyle, one that requires a slave/submissive to give unquestioning respect to a Dom/Master/Mistress, with no reciprocal courtesy shown to the slave/submissive. It is a bad habit and one that should be broken. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 14 Jan 10, 4:28 PM the_boi UK, 7 yrs £ Y! pet_ka_MJ wrote: the_boi wrote: Proper respect via speech and actions is responsible and a logical step for a slave to show to a free person or Dom/Master/Mistress. Respect is earned, yet common courtesy to all as demanded by the situation and determined by my Owner. There is a habit among some Doms/Masters/Mistresses that I have encountered since venturing into this lifestyle, one that requires a slave/submissive to give unquestioning respect to a Dom/Master/Mistress, with no reciprocal courtesy shown to the slave/submissive. It is a bad habit and one that should be broken. i agree with you to a point - though i view that if a Master/Mistress/Dom doesn't show me respect yet i show Them respect it shows them in a bad light and not me. i live by the fact that two wrongs never make a right! the_boi 000-636-428 "where will your service take you today!" 15 Jan 10, 12:38 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs EvaMaria wrote: My meaning is that I don't think whether a person uses 3rd as an act of compliance or simply of their own druthers is relevant to a discussion of its logic or usefulness *on these boards*. Whether a person uses 3rd or not it doesn't make them stupid or smart, it shouldn't matter. Whether the use of 3rd person is liked or not, shouldn't matter. It's still a person behind the other computer, and they still have their own thoughts, feelings, intelligence. Some slaves just learn to speak that way, and when they come here they continue to speak that way because this is a "lifestyle" website. They're supposed to be able to without thoughts of ridicule. This slave would've expected more from people on here. She didn't think 3rd person was such a big deal. But seeing some don't even *read* the posts by someone speaking in 3rd is astonishing. Couldn't believe people could be that dense. How someone speaks doesn't define their opinion. If it bothers you so much, then at least look for what they're saying, don't just skip it. Seems very cruel, -s Always the curious one ~ s 10 Feb 10, 1:52 PM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs Curious_s wrote: EvaMaria wrote: My meaning is that I don't think whether a person uses 3rd as an act of compliance or simply of their own druthers is relevant to a discussion of its logic or usefulness *on these boards*. Whether a person uses 3rd or not it doesn't make them stupid or smart, it shouldn't matter. Whether the use of 3rd person is liked or not, shouldn't matter. It's still a person behind the other computer, and they still have their own thoughts, feelings, intelligence. Some slaves just learn to speak that way, and when they come here they continue to speak that way because this is a "lifestyle" website. They're supposed to be able to without thoughts of ridicule. This slave would've expected more from people on here. She didn't think 3rd person was such a big deal. But seeing some don't even *read* the posts by someone speaking in 3rd is astonishing. Couldn't believe people could be that dense. How someone speaks doesn't define their opinion. If it bothers you so much, then at least look for what they're saying, don't just skip it. Seems very cruel, -s I'm sorry, I didn't see this until now. I'm confused. Are you saying (because you've quoted me) that you believe I've given an opinion re: anyone's intelligence here? And/or that I've ridiculed anyone? Are the other remarks about being dense and cruel also directed toward me? I have to ask first because I don't understand how you've come to these conclusions based on what I've posted. But if you have will you explain, please? Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 10 Feb 10, 2:37 PM 834-243-250 2 yrs I'm glad this discussion got bumped back up. I had been wondering about this for awhile. The Master I am training with has never required speaking in 3rd person (thankfully!) and I also find posts written in such a manner much more difficult to read (not that I can't, but it does make it a little more difficult to follow for me on occasion). On the other hand, something that did come naturally to me and I did without asking or really even discussing with Him was capitalization of "Him" "He" "Master" etc... To me, I suppose they seem as proper as His given name, and deserving of being capitalized to show respect. Also, since I don't use His name here, I capitalize it to distinguish Master's "Him" from any general male that may come up in conversation or discussion. I didn't really think about it until now though that I did that. I also realize that if I am addressing a post or discussion to someone in particular, and not talking in general formats, that I will capitalize "Master"... for example "Oh goodness, what did your Master think of that!?" versus "has anyone ever had a master that did..." I suppose again that comes with it being a replacement of the proper name when addressing a individual person versus the use of it to classify the general public. Gah, grammar... I hated it so in school and now it comes back to haunt me! Hehehehe I will capitalize "Slave" when I end notes to him... "Your Slave" for example. He has never commented it was out of line or presumptuous of me, but He is also fairly relaxed in some of the finer protocol points that I have seen exhibited on here. He may also just be working me into things slowly so it's not too overwhelming all at once. Master did also mention the difference between SL and everyday as one reason why some may use 3rd person and others may not when I originally asked about this. I have found on multiple websites references that say that 3rd person is more enforced in the online role play environments to distinguish who was a master and who was a slave more easily during chat, conversations, etc. without having to look at a individual's profile. That makes sense for that type of scenario to me to be honest. On here, there are markings and such that I think tend to distinguish each of us a little better than we would be in the fast paced online chat environment. I am sure that if Master commanded it from me, I would make speaking in 3rd person happen, but I also am thankful I don't see him enjoying that or finding benefit in that anytime soon. - Slave In Training 10 Feb 10, 3:29 PM 562-470-768 2 yrs for this girl it is easy. Master requires her to do so because, there is no *i* or *me* in the word slave. this girl don't mind it one bit, it was easy to get used to, and she does however think that anyone who happens to critisize because of it, can pretty much go jump a hedgehog in the winter pines. this girl is reminded at all times that she is not self centred, that she is owned, that she pleases Master a whoooooooole lot when she obeys him in this. that she is not selfish nor self-serving. words such as *me* and *i* for this girl (and this is her ways, she is not judging anyone about it!) used by this girl, would be an indication that this girl is still considering the fact that she may have control over herself, that she is self absorbed, she does not. on a practical level, when this girl just started using this manner of speaking, it was a comfort to her making the switch from the normal to this way for master. it was a way for her to know when she is serving, when she is slave, when she is free from her obligations to work, office and the general society who would not accept her lifstyle. it was/is both a pleasure and a habit to use this speach. others should be tolerant of the 'mixing' too, as one often cannot make the sharp change from being a business person in a functional unaccepting society, to what Master instructed and enjoys. and please, feel free when this girl mess up, to let her Master know, he will certainly be happy the help her remember and overcome the matter about that switching effort. is all. to quote:: "Also as part of the written and verbal protocol, many Masters require that the slaves talk in third person, as "May the slave request permission to...", instead of "May i request permission to...". This is a very common protocol but some Masters use it, others don't. Like many other things in the Leather lifestyle, it is about what it works for you." EDIT:: AND IF Master required this girl to have a few 'bad habits' that is not even acceptable amongst others in this lifestyle, SO be it. its not about YOU or *me* it is about Master and his wishes. We are all vanilla to some degree - for society will keep a foothold in our lives. We are all Dom/mes or slave/sub on some level, as there is ALWAYS someone weaker or stronger than you... Edited 10 Feb 10, 3:46 PM by 562-470-768 10 Feb 10, 7:49 PM 247-330-189 US(CA), 3 yrs Y! I would like to ask if in using 3rd person we are talking about writing in 3rd person only?? Or is this the way you speak in real life out in the world??? I read the Gor books, and this was not used much by the slaves in the book, only occasionally. Most of the "slaves" came from earth and had to learn how to shut up and ask to speak. I am a little curious as well by Masters who choose to have their slaves speak this way. I have to say i find it difficult to read this speech, and also the use of W/we... (slash speak i guess it is called..). I mean, we don't T/talk that way. I don't try to judge i am just wondering as well. If ever thou be'st bound in thy scarf and beaten, thou shalt find what it is to be proud of thy bondage. William Shakespeare. 10 Feb 10, 7:57 PM Ettiennes_slut US(OR), 2 yrs He does not require that i use any particular form of address on email or the boards. i chose when i started here to use lower case for myself and upper case for Him. Lower case doesn't matter too much, but i like reinforcing His position by using upper case. i do not agree that use of third person or differing capitalization denotes inferiority. The word "inferior" can apply to either rank or worth. my rank is not the same as His, true, but i have as much value/worth as He or anyone else does. Standard courtesy would suggest that one should be polite to strangers, treating them with respect until/unless they prove themselves unworthy of such, regardless of whether they view themselves as D/O/M or s types. i did like what 834-243-250 had to say: On the other hand, something that did come naturally to me and I did without asking or really even discussing with Him was capitalization of "Him" "He" "Master" etc... To me, I suppose they seem as proper as His given name, and deserving of being capitalized to show respect. That seems a good reason to capitalize Master regardless of whose Master is being discussed. To me, the essence of communication is the ability to make your point understood to whomever you are speaking or writing. If the author uses third person, first person or slashy speak as long as the comment is relevant to the discussion there is always the possibility i could learn something. Ettiennes_slut 10 Feb 10, 7:59 PM 562-470-768 2 yrs 247-330-189 wrote: I would like to ask if in using 3rd person we are talking about writing in 3rd person only?? Or is this the way you speak in real life out in the world??? I read the Gor books, and this was not used much by the slaves in the book, only occasionally. Most of the "slaves" came from earth and had to learn how to shut up and ask to speak. I am a little curious as well by Masters who choose to have their slaves speak this way. I have to say i find it difficult to read this speech, and also the use of W/we... (slash speak i guess it is called..). I mean, we don't T/talk that way. I don't try to judge i am just wondering as well. this girl has not read any Gor books, and she speaks on occasion like this in public too. to use an example:: during an online game, she would be connected to ventrillo or teamspeak. often a bit of banter and teasing would ensue over actions and silliness of this girl and she would without thought state something in response like "she does not care". for this girl, even at work, at times, she would do that, and it is natural and accepted. of course in certain situations she cannot do that *like presentations etc* this girl also would ask to be excused from a room or if she may enter a room (this is seen as a common curtesy and nobody flinch at it) at times, due to active role-playing, as explained by another owned soul, it helps to use the W/we thing to differentiate, but mostly in writing, this girl don't do that. she would at times capitalise *He* or *Him* when referring to Master, but even that she lets slip for the sake of fast responses and communication (as well as, residual religious connotations that others may have with this) this is how this girl is, how she speaks, how she lives, she cannot speak or answer for anyone else. she does enjoy it as for her, it is a very special reminder of her station in her chosen life. Master mostly insist that this is done in writing,but as with all habits, it tends to spill over into other areas, and this girl finds that it is rather more acceptable that having OCD and wearing gloves on the public transport in summer. EDIT by Master's Directions:: this girl has but one Master. she will not call anyone else Master, as they have no standing over or for her. she does however caps the word "Owner" as that is her way of expressing curtesy and acknowladgement of their station and her offer of respect. this girl would not presume to call another slave, and thus she refer to others on a similar station as herself as souls (unknown status or unowned) and owned souls (obvious reasons) We are all vanilla to some degree - for society will keep a foothold in our lives. We are all Dom/mes or slave/sub on some level, as there is ALWAYS someone weaker or stronger than you... Edited 10 Feb 10, 8:35 PM by 562-470-768 Next page