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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Third Person?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Third Person? (70) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 13 Jan 10, 2:44 AM 996-150-083 4 yrs it is required to use 3rd person in all communications and for any transgressions nipple clamps with weights attached are painfully applied for an unbearable duration; hence it will continue to comply with Mistress Tamara's demand in this regard and it accepts that those who are irked by this may choose not to read postings using 3rd person. 996-150-083 - Slave and owned property of Mistress Tamara. it exists only to worship and obey it's Owner, Mistress Tamara. Severe discipline is a necessary part of it's slave training - both daily maintenance discipline as well as corrective discipline. 13 Jan 10, 3:35 AM 141-432-378 US(IN), 2 yrs I would agree to those who have responded. In my previous relationship I had to talk third person. That is how my owner at the time wanted me to respond. This to me as a person speaking third person I thought was very confusing and I was the one speaking third person. It was quite difficult to talk third person at times when trying to describe something but I did what I was told. So I do understand those who are required to speak third person. Lucky for my sake my Owner now does not require me to speak third person and I have learned that books and games aren't real life. When I became a slave in real life to a real life Dom, my One, I threw away "childish things". -Sugar "sugar" owned by Master Star Edited 13 Jan 10, 10:24 AM by 141-432-378 13 Jan 10, 8:43 AM the_boi UK, 7 yrs £ Y! [/quote] From a discussion i had with a friend of mine and Gorean Master. SL is second life... me: is it true that in gor, slaves are required to speak 3rd person? Him: well they do like this, but in the book it is not in 3rd person they speak me: so it comes down to the Masters discretion? Him: aye me: we're having a discussion on it at slaveregister.com me: so was wondering the opinion of a Gor Master such as yourself Him: well there is SL gor and book gor Him: and the 2 are different me: ok. please elaborate Master Him: in the book a kajira speaks 1st person, in SL she use 3rd person, in the book she touch weapons, in SL it is forbidden Him: and so on me: interesting. me: why is that Master since all is based on the books? me: why go completely against it? Him: maybe to make the game less dangerous me: thank You Master for Your answers. do You mind if i put part of this convo on the discussion board Him: not at all Him: tell them Him: it is good when this is talked [/quote] Being in SL Gor in a gay gor city and have been for some time - we try to be as btb as possible. Third person is not Gorean at all. In many sl Gor Cities third person is not practiced, and it is something i have eradicated from city slaves as best as possible. Though it is important to note that if the Master wants it then they are quite right to insist it apon their slaves - but in the Isle of Tabor it is not something we insist on nor do we actually make it a positive part of role play. the_boi 000-636-428 "where will your service take you today!" 13 Jan 10, 10:45 AM nutshellsub UK, 3 yrs I have no use for the third person at all. It seems a cumbersome and needless affectation. I tried it once and both Ma'am and I just curled up with cyber laughter (we are in an LDR). I know my place without such things. However, it is harmless and if its use makes some folk happy then I don't see that it matters very much. 13 Jan 10, 11:58 AM 300-168-896 CA, 2 yrs Y! Talk in the 3rd person if your Master demands it...... simple as that! This slave was actually chastised by Master for trying to do that in a blog. Master reinforced in me that while I am His slave, I am equal to Him in all other respects and he doesn't support the idea of 3rd person talk-at least not from his slave. On the other hand, if He commanded me to drop to my knees, equality ends there! 13 Jan 10, 12:36 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs 318-068-287 wrote: Thank you for the honesty. If I may ask a further question of you, if you don't wish to respond I understand. How did it feel for you when you first started to use third person terms and how do you feel about it now? For this slave she started speaking it with her first Master just because he told her too. She didn't understand why, but she did. After she started to it just made her feel more submissive, possessionless. She would get mixed up sometimes if she were also talking to friends, so it's hard to learn. As a slave it can define your status. Now that she better understands it, she likes it more. To her it doesn't really matter if a slave talks 1st person or 3rd person. She doesn't have a mindset on it. For a slave to use 1st person it's very low protocal. For a slave to use 3rd it's high protocal, and more appropriate when with their Master. But it's all what the M decides and if s/he wants their slave talking like that. For this slave it wasn't a choice, she was told to, so she learned how. -s Always the curious one ~ s 13 Jan 10, 12:37 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs Property_of_Master_J wrote: Curious_s wrote: 318-068-287 wrote: Third Person? This slave was always taught that slaves use 3rd person when speaking. It's just the way slaves speak. Oh dear, no, it's not "just the way slaves speak." I have a mind and am very bright and am expected to speak, write, and oh gosh, even think for myself. Granted SOME slaves speak this way but no,that is NOT the norm and irks me to hear this. This slave never said it's how all slaves speak. Just a more formal way, it defines a slave. She never said she doesn't have her own mind, if she didn't obviously she wouldn't be able to post. It's all opinion, that's why it's a discussion, and this slave is entitled to hers whether or not you disagree with her. -s Always the curious one ~ s 13 Jan 10, 12:51 PM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs unowned_property wrote: Curious_s wrote: This slave was always taught that slaves use 3rd person when speaking. It's just the way slaves speak. To use third a slave isn't allowed to show possession quite as much; excluding the words me/my/mine. A slave cannot possess anything as whatever they own is technically their master's. Of course they could still say this is his/hers, but it's just not as powerful. In the Gorean way (based off of the books) when a master tells his slave "speak like a slave" he's telling the girl to speak in 3rd. 3rd person was also used some in history to reinforce a slave's place. It's all just opinion, and how people want to do things, but it's up to the M and what s/he wants. Currently this girl uses 3rd. She's become used to it. Using 1st feels weird now. It can be confusing to others or "lame," but really everyone's entitled to their own way of speaking, and a slave gives that right to their M who will decide for them. -s From a discussion i had with a friend of mine and Gorean Master. SL is second life... me: is it true that in gor, slaves are required to speak 3rd person? Him: well they do like this, but in the book it is not in 3rd person they speak me: so it comes down to the Masters discretion? Him: aye me: we're having a discussion on it at slaveregister.com me: so was wondering the opinion of a Gor Master such as yourself Him: well there is SL gor and book gor Him: and the 2 are different me: ok. please elaborate Master Him: in the book a kajira speaks 1st person, in SL she use 3rd person, in the book she touch weapons, in SL it is forbidden Him: and so on me: interesting. me: why is that Master since all is based on the books? me: why go completely against it? Him: maybe to make the game less dangerous me: thank You Master for Your answers. do You mind if i put part of this convo on the discussion board Him: not at all Him: tell them Him: it is good when this is talked First of all, SL might not be the best place to get an opinion. Most Goreans that take their l/s seriously do it in real life, not online games (but there's some serious, not all). "me: is it true that in gor, slaves are required to speak 3rd person?" In the book when slaves are among themselves they speak in 1st person. More formally, around Masters, they speak in 3rd person. Especially when asking to speak. A slave would ask, "May a slave speak?" 3rd person. After that's given they might or might not revert to 1st person (which is informal and depends on the Master). "me: so it comes down to the Masters discretion?" This is something to remember. This slave did -not- decide herself to speak in 3rd. Why would she? She was -told- to, and it pleases her Master so she will. "Him: in the book a kajira speaks 1st person, in SL she use 3rd person . . ." The Master you spoke to is going generally. Generally in the book a slave would speak 1st. But it wasn't uncommon for the slave to switch to third, especially when a Master says, "Speak like a slave." This slave doesn't have experience in SL because her relationships are 24/7, long-distance for the moment. But, really, all of this is up to the Master, not the slave, and to please Him, not the slave's wants. Generally. A slave can talk to their Master, state their wants, and the Master decides. -s Always the curious one ~ s 13 Jan 10, 11:27 PM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs skyler wrote: How one refers to themselves in no way defines the respect they get or deserve from someone else. Or at least it shouldn't on this site. And 3rd person speech doesn't indicate a submission to everyone that reads it. Simply a submission to the desires and preferences of the one that owns and controls the speaker(or in this case, the typist). I think the way a person presents themselves in their posts does of necessity have much to do with the amount of respect they will receive from those who read, whether it's through their method of communication or the ideas themselves. For most, it's the only source of information available about the poster. I don't agree that using 3rd person or any of the methods in question doesn't communicate a submission to the reader - it's specifically structured to remove the speaker's personal significance in the conversation and relative to other methods of achieving the same end, the most obvious. It's basically an acknowledgment of the distribution of power, hence its popularity between s and d-types. I agree that its use on this site is largely a situation of acquiescence but if a poster does use 3rd as a condition set by his/her d-type, they're still addressing other members. It would change the responsible party but not the logic behind it. As in, whether a person submits because that's what he/she wants to do or because that's what his/her d-type wants done doesn't change the fact of the submission. skyler wrote: Using third person speech is a great way to incorporate property status into a slave's thinking. As well as sinking into the state of being what the master requires of his/her property. Such as "slave" "pet" "toy" and such. But that doesn't mean it's right or wrong. It's just the way it is for some people. I agree that its use is probably valuable/necessary for some s-types and I don't think that would make it right or wrong, either. But my comments and most of those in this discussion aren't about its value to the individual mindset but rather the logic behind using it as a way of posting to these boards, the majority of its readers having only a very basic relationship/familiarity with the poster. (And just for clarity - I'm not debating whether an s-type should obey his/her d-type - that's given.) EvaMaria wrote: "it's a gesture that requires an understanding/consent that doesn't exist here." skyler wrote: Technically, consent is given here. Isn't it? Don't we all consent to read/listen to different ideas and protocols each time we log onto this site? Don't we all give each other the privilege of being what we are? We do. But we don't consent to being submitted to or being dominated by other members, any authority an individual member might give to a d-type notwithstanding. And as an individual member, neither in my relationship with Christopher nor my membership here do I agree to being grammatically minimalized. (W/we, U/us, You/you, etc. when used as a several reference) That's a small detail only and when I see it done I tend to take it with a grain of salt, but it's still a true thing. the_boi wrote: Remember firstly that grammar was thought up by someone and is in no way more valid then any other form thought up by another. Grammar is certainly a man-made system, but if you're saying that's the only qualification necessary, I disagree. I think logic, communication, common usage and ease of integration are the most important points. the_boi wrote: However as a slave it is my role to do as i am told. If i am told to do such then i will do so. If it is not insisted then i won't. The ultimate choice of my actions is my Masters, the ultimate choice of your actions is your Owners - lets instead of saying its a) annoying or b) pointless - the following of orders is the important factor in however that manifests itself. Again, I think that's confusing responsibility with logic. I agree that individual obedience is important and I do think what you've described in your posts seems logical and effective, but specifically within your own group or house. In that situation, everyone is pretty much on the same page as to who agrees to what and the general hierarchy. But the larger context of community is the goal here on these boards and beyond what each member offers through their posts and what we've all agreed to when we registered for membership, familiarity and commitment are minimal. For a community to work or to even exist there has to be some willingness of its individual members toward the creation of a common ground. So to that end, I think it's best to act based on as few assumptions as possible. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 14 Jan 10, 10:21 AM the_boi UK, 7 yrs £ Y! it could be argued that slave grammar is logical and easy to use - i have no problems reading or using it. I wonder how easy figuring out apostrophe's and the like were when introduced and so on and so forth. Confusing logic and responsibility isn't something i do. Proper respect via speech and actions is responsible and a logical step for a slave to show to a free person or Dom/Master/Mistress. the_boi 000-636-428 "where will your service take you today!" Next page