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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Third Person?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Third Person? (70) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 12 Jan 10, 9:15 AM francesca 2 yrs 318-068-287 wrote: unowned_property wrote: Some Doms require their slave use "this girl", etc. Some require things like "i" vs. "I". Personally, i think the 3rd person is a bit lame (sorry) but using "i" and "He" helps me know that i am His. Hope that makes sense. Thank you, it makes perfect sense from the mindset. Probably means even more that you use it considering your own personal views about it. Do you ever feel divided in not liking the third person but finding the connection to your feelings towards Him in it none the less? my apologies, i guess i'm not quite understanding what you are asking. my former Master did not require the used of 3rd person (thankfully) but He did require using i, He, Him, my Master, etc. i too, used to think that 3rd person was the way that all slaves were to talk (someone else mentioned that somewhere on this thread), but i quickly learned otherwise. i saw a number of slaves talking in 1st person and in caps regarding themselves and asked my Master about it. He didn't care if i spoke 1st person or not, but did require the caps/non caps as we were long distance and typing that way DID help me with knowing my place. i think it'd be different if we had been 24/7 as daily actions would have helped enforce that in me. Hope this helps to answer your question. If not, please send me a memo or respond again on here. Francesca 12 Jan 10, 9:17 AM 154-063-668 US(CO), 2 yrs “I” myself have never used that form of writing or address, nor would I want to. I believe for me, that I have worth, I am deserving of respect and that any relationship I enter into, I will know and he will know where the power lies. Why should my writing style have to scream I am submissive? If it was a personal letter to my dominant/master/owner, and he wanted me to write like that to him, I would have no problem; but I am not this forums submissive and therefore I should never have to bow down or be subservient to those in the forums via my posts. And frankly, if I'm talking about a dominant or submissive, be that me or another, names are capped just like in proper writing form. As for the slash writing, that started on mIRC with the cyber BS and it just makes your brain work harder just to get through a post. And I've seen more then once here when a submissive was talking in the fist party about themselves and still used the slash's as if they were talking about both their master and self, and in turn showing a total misunderstanding of the usage. Sorry if this offended anyone, it's just my feelings on the subjects. 12 Jan 10, 9:29 AM francesca 2 yrs 154-063-668 wrote: As for the slash writing, that started on mIRC with the cyber BS and it just makes your brain work harder just to get through a post. And I've seen more then once here when a submissive was talking in the fist party about themselves and still used the slash's as if they were talking about both their master and self, and in turn showing a total misunderstanding of the usage. Sorry if this offended anyone, it's just my feelings on the subjects. None taken... i think it's safe to say that MOST, not all obviously, but most on this site do not like the slash writing as its generally annoying and very hard to read. i am tired of apologizing after every post. it seems that i'm worrying too much if i offend one person or another. Maybe its the military in me, but people really should get some thick skin. Once again, however, i am apologizing if i've offended anyone. i think i'm not going to anymore come morning time. giggles. Goodnight to all! francesca Edited 12 Jan 10, 9:30 AM by francesca 12 Jan 10, 12:28 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! EvaMaria wrote: I think blatantly assuming an inferior pose is similar to bowing to someone who's basically a stranger and doesn't ask for or expect it - it's a gesture that requires an understanding/consent that doesn't exist here. That's how I feel about submissives using capitalised pronouns when referring to other dominants ("i agree with You" etc) outside the relationship. Personally, I do like my submissives to use lowercase "i" and a lowercase name, but my attitude is that is within my (and their) sphere of authority, as referring to my stuff rather than anyone else's Interestingly, I don't like "You" when they're referring to me, and I don't write "Me", even though that would be within my sphere too. However, I also don't like the "W/we" forms, probably because I do find them harder to read myself and I expect other people do to. So my bottom line is just that my submissives have written "i" and have lowercase names. Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk O&P: Possession. Ownership. Consent. Responsibility. Respect. House. Service. Dignity. Authenticity. Rituals. Edited 12 Jan 10, 12:29 PM by Tanos 12 Jan 10, 2:06 PM 169-158-526 US(TX), 2 yrs 318-068-287 wrote: Thank you for the honesty. If I may ask a further question of you, if you don't wish to respond I understand. How did it feel for you when you first started to use third person terms and how do you feel about it now? this particular slave uses 3rd person when speaking to, or about her relationship with her Master - but it didn't happen because "slaves speak that way" or not. sepha's hasn't really questioned where the idea came from, but she thinks it came from Master's exmilitary background. sepha agrees with one of the posters on here, it can get difficult to read sometimes on these boards (with too many she's, her's etc). As far as how it felt, it was difficult to remember to switch between 3rd and 1st at first, but it didn't take long, and it definitely added to the feeling of not belonging to one's self - it was like stepping aside from the driving reins and letting someone else step in. It is pretty much second nature now. with regard to the X/x/ posts - sepha also agrees that they are difficult to read, but this is an open arena - and we all know why we're here - so at least everyone here is able to express themselves the way they want/need to He is sepha's protector and her guide. All she is now, and all she will become comes from His sweet love, His thoughtfulness and His firm but tender hands 12 Jan 10, 3:50 PM the_boi UK, 7 yrs £ Y! well i would guess that such differentials would be wether you denoted yourself as a sub or slave - a slave would consider themselves inferior to all who were not slaves in a heirachy type. Masters/Mistresses are by nature not inferior to subs or slaves nor on the same level - whether on a forum, face to face or any other medium/format. If you want the role then i guess you need to accept the role. the_boi 000-636-428 "where will your service take you today!" 12 Jan 10, 4:43 PM 318-068-287 US(TX), 6 yrs Y! Thank you all for the responses. It's always been something that I have been curious about. The way people feel about it, particularly the bottoms but the tops as well, has always interested me. I do tend to ask oddball questions like this. Thanks again to all who have responded! I love reading about how people think. A dog on a leash can still bite your hand off. 12 Jan 10, 5:19 PM 154-063-668 US(CO), 2 yrs the_boi wrote: well i would guess that such differentials would be wether you denoted yourself as a sub or slave - a slave would consider themselves inferior to all who were not slaves in a heirachy type. Masters/Mistresses are by nature not inferior to subs or slaves nor on the same level - whether on a forum, face to face or any other medium/format. If you want the role then i guess you need to accept the role. Does this get back into that whole "true" slave issue? And since I never have written like that nor would I unless told to do so, would that then make me an inferior submissive? And why would my dominant/master/owner want me to be inferoir to anyone but himself? And then if I was to put caps on every other dominant, wouldn't that then be putting all of them on the same level as him? the one who by all rights should always be above all others to me? I know part of my whole view on this stems from the fact that I've seen far to many on the internet beating their chest and proclaiming themselves as dominant, when in fact the demands of a new born baby are more dominant then they will ever be. Call me jaded, but one has to earn it with me, and as it sits right now, all of you are just people on a site, no better then one another, no more real or fake then the next one on the list...but I do admit, there are some here, both dominant and submissive, who's writings and views I've come to respect over the years of lurking here. 12 Jan 10, 6:51 PM 111-759-177 US, 3 yrs Using third person speech is a great way to incorporate property status into a slave's thinking. As well as sinking into the state of being what the master requires of his/her property. Such as "slave" "pet" "toy" and such. But that doesn't mean it's right or wrong. It's just the way it is for some people. "it's a gesture that requires an understanding/consent that doesn't exist here." Technically, consent is given here. Isn't it? Don't we all consent to read/listen to different ideas and protocols each time we log onto this site? Don't we all give each other the privilege of being what we are? "I am deserving of respect " How one refers to themselves in no way defines the respect they get or deserve from someone else. Or at least it shouldn't on this site. And 3rd person speech doesn't indicate a submission to everyone that reads it. Simply a submission to the desires and preferences of the one that owns and controls the speaker(or in this case, the typist). But this is just this toy's opinion. As well as the reason toy refers to itself as toy. True freedom is being free to give yourself away. Edited 12 Jan 10, 7:12 PM by 111-759-177 12 Jan 10, 9:13 PM francesca 2 yrs Curious_s wrote: This slave was always taught that slaves use 3rd person when speaking. It's just the way slaves speak. To use third a slave isn't allowed to show possession quite as much; excluding the words me/my/mine. A slave cannot possess anything as whatever they own is technically their master's. Of course they could still say this is his/hers, but it's just not as powerful. In the Gorean way (based off of the books) when a master tells his slave "speak like a slave" he's telling the girl to speak in 3rd. 3rd person was also used some in history to reinforce a slave's place. It's all just opinion, and how people want to do things, but it's up to the M and what s/he wants. Currently this girl uses 3rd. She's become used to it. Using 1st feels weird now. It can be confusing to others or "lame," but really everyone's entitled to their own way of speaking, and a slave gives that right to their M who will decide for them. -s From a discussion i had with a friend of mine and Gorean Master. SL is second life... me: is it true that in gor, slaves are required to speak 3rd person? Him: well they do like this, but in the book it is not in 3rd person they speak me: so it comes down to the Masters discretion? Him: aye me: we're having a discussion on it at slaveregister.com me: so was wondering the opinion of a Gor Master such as yourself Him: well there is SL gor and book gor Him: and the 2 are different me: ok. please elaborate Master Him: in the book a kajira speaks 1st person, in SL she use 3rd person, in the book she touch weapons, in SL it is forbidden Him: and so on me: interesting. me: why is that Master since all is based on the books? me: why go completely against it? Him: maybe to make the game less dangerous me: thank You Master for Your answers. do You mind if i put part of this convo on the discussion board Him: not at all Him: tell them Him: it is good when this is talked Edited 12 Jan 10, 9:15 PM by francesca Next page