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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Third Person?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Third Person? (70) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Mon 11 Jan 10, 3:07 PM 318-068-287 US(TX), 6 yrs Y! I only ask this out of curiosity, and hopefully those who reply will take pity upon this poor lurker of the boards, but I have wondered for a long time about the use of the third person by slaves and other bottoms when replying to posts. Just a wondering I have had for a long time now and had to finally ask. I suspect the reason most will give for it but would like to hear it from them to see. A dog on a leash can still bite your hand off. 11 Jan 10, 3:54 PM SeanT70 9 yrs 318-068-287 wrote: Third Person? I only ask this out of curiosity, and hopefully those who reply will take pity upon this poor lurker of the boards, but I have wondered for a long time about the use of the third person by slaves and other bottoms when replying to posts. Just a wondering I have had for a long time now and had to finally ask. I suspect the reason most will give for it but would like to hear it from them to see. In regard to the use of third on the board, if you wish to (or have to) use it, please do; if you don't have to, then please don't, but for the love of all that is sane, don't mix the two and confuse it, because it's just plain frickin' confusin' for some the rest of us. To me, third used well is nice to see, and nice to hear (Phay is very good at it when I require it of her), but over-use of certain terms can literally turn into the abuse of a reader because of how hard it can be to interpret. Do people use it here on the board? Some do, some don't. Do people use it as a matter of protcol and expectation in their own relationship? Of course they do. But not even all of those write it here on the board. It's one of those things that you may have considered discussing with your M. Regards, Sean. 11 Jan 10, 9:59 PM francesca 2 yrs Some Doms require their slave use "this girl", etc. Some require things like "i" vs. "I". Personally, i think the 3rd person is a bit lame (sorry) but using "i" and "He" helps me know that i am His. Hope that makes sense. 11 Jan 10, 11:41 PM 996-150-083 4 yrs it's Owner requires the use of 3rd person at all times - it apologises for any confusion that the use of 3rd person causes in postings. 996-150-083 - Slave and owned property of Mistress Tamara. it exists only to worship and obey it's Owner, Mistress Tamara. Severe discipline is a necessary part of it's slave training - both daily maintenance discipline as well as corrective discipline. 12 Jan 10, 1:35 AM 318-068-287 US(TX), 6 yrs Y! SeanT70 wrote: In regard to the use of third on the board, if you wish to (or have to) use it, please do; if you don't have to, then please don't, but for the love of all that is sane, don't mix the two and confuse it, because it's just plain frickin' confusin' for some the rest of us. To me, third used well is nice to see, and nice to hear (Phay is very good at it when I require it of her), but over-use of certain terms can literally turn into the abuse of a reader because of how hard it can be to interpret. Do people use it here on the board? Some do, some don't. Do people use it as a matter of protcol and expectation in their own relationship? Of course they do. But not even all of those write it here on the board. It's one of those things that you may have considered discussing with your M. Regards, Sean. Thank you, I tend to not use it except in normal operation of writing. No special importance is attached beyond the usage for emphasis or just to be plain contrary by using more archaic modes of speech. I thougt that it was mostly an imperative imposed by the Top, but was curious how the bottoms mentally and emotionally connected with the usage. unowned_property wrote: Some Doms require their slave use "this girl", etc. Some require things like "i" vs. "I". Personally, i think the 3rd person is a bit lame (sorry) but using "i" and "He" helps me know that i am His. Hope that makes sense. Thank you, it makes perfect sense from the mindset. Probably means even more that you use it considering your own personal views about it. Do you ever feel divided in not liking the third person but finding the connection to your feelings towards Him in it none the less? 996-150-083 wrote: it's Owner requires the use of 3rd person at all times - it apologises for any confusion that the use of 3rd person causes in postings. It causes no confusion for me in your posting, no apologies are needed to me. I've been lurking for quite some time and have had no problems following the posts. A dog on a leash can still bite your hand off. 12 Jan 10, 3:42 AM nequam AU, 6 yrs i have no requirements at all to use third person. Not even the 'i' 'He'. i chose to use a small i to designate myself and capitals for Master out of a sign of respect and because i knew it was considered more formal in some places. Even as a young child, it was important to me to be seen as respectful and courteous. owned property of Sir Trisk Being your slave what should I do but tend Upon the hours, and times of your desire? Sonnet 57 - William Shakespeare 12 Jan 10, 4:19 AM curious_bina US(TN), 2 yrs 318-068-287 wrote: Third Person? I only ask this out of curiosity, and hopefully those who reply will take pity upon this poor lurker of the boards, but I have wondered for a long time about the use of the third person by slaves and other bottoms when replying to posts. Just a wondering I have had for a long time now and had to finally ask. I suspect the reason most will give for it but would like to hear it from them to see. This slave was always taught that slaves use 3rd person when speaking. It's just the way slaves speak. To use third a slave isn't allowed to show possession quite as much; excluding the words me/my/mine. A slave cannot possess anything as whatever they own is technically their master's. Of course they could still say this is his/hers, but it's just not as powerful. In the Gorean way (based off of the books) when a master tells his slave "speak like a slave" he's telling the girl to speak in 3rd. 3rd person was also used some in history to reinforce a slave's place. It's all just opinion, and how people want to do things, but it's up to the M and what s/he wants. Currently this girl uses 3rd. She's become used to it. Using 1st feels weird now. It can be confusing to others or "lame," but really everyone's entitled to their own way of speaking, and a slave gives that right to their M who will decide for them. -s Always the curious one ~ 12 Jan 10, 4:43 AM 318-068-287 US(TX), 6 yrs Y! Curious_s wrote: This slave was always taught that slaves use 3rd person when speaking. It's just the way slaves speak. To use third a slave isn't allowed to show possession quite as much; excluding the words me/my/mine. A slave cannot possess anything as whatever they own is technically their master's. Of course they could still say this is his/hers, but it's just not as powerful. In the Gorean way (based off of the books) when a master tells his slave "speak like a slave" he's telling the girl to speak in 3rd. 3rd person was also used some in history to reinforce a slave's place. It's all just opinion, and how people want to do things, but it's up to the M and what s/he wants. Currently this girl uses 3rd. She's become used to it. Using 1st feels weird now. It can be confusing to others or "lame," but really everyone's entitled to their own way of speaking, and a slave gives that right to their M who will decide for them. -s Thank you for the honesty. If I may ask a further question of you, if you don't wish to respond I understand. How did it feel for you when you first started to use third person terms and how do you feel about it now? A dog on a leash can still bite your hand off. 12 Jan 10, 5:15 AM pet_ka_MJ CA, 2 yrs For someone who has never approached their submissive nature from a BDSM perspective before, I find the whole third person, slashy speak, lower case mode of slave speaking and writing annoying, and like a previous poster, if not done correctly it is horrendous to read or listen to. When I first learned of this mode of communication I got the impression (misguided) that some were competing to be more submissive, thereby missing the point. It was like putting on clothes, which I have done many times, to pretend. This whole mode of communicating seemed like some kind of role play gone bad. Now that I have taken the time to learn more, I can understand someone's desire to pursue this form of speech. However, for me, I can't say it does all that much to reinforce in me a submissive frame of mind. With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity. - Keshavan Nair 12 Jan 10, 6:52 AM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs Writing in 3rd person or using customized grammar doesn't make sense to me. However a person feels about themselves relevant to their dominant and/or how they choose to express it to him/her is a personal matter and I think best to each their preference. But to 99.9% of the readership (assuming a person's d-type does in fact read these boards) every other member here is of equal and individual standing. I think blatantly assuming an inferior pose is similar to bowing to someone who's basically a stranger and doesn't ask for or expect it - it's a gesture that requires an understanding/consent that doesn't exist here. It does make sense to me if the d-type requires his/her s-type to defer to other members in their posts in ways such as not contradicting, giving only directly solicited advice, not making themselves or their opinions the focus of what they have to say, etc. C doesn't require these things of me on these boards but he does some of them in personal interactions. And I personally enjoy reading/listening to the method of speech wherein a person gives all information from the objective rather than subjective, although I wouldn't care to use it myself. But I think when a person presents themselves as "lesser" via 3rd person, lower-case, etc, in a post that's otherwise 1st person, it's a contradiction. Sometimes I'll read these posts and sometimes I won't - it's fairly arbitrary for me. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 12 Jan 10, 9:01 AM the_boi UK, 7 yrs £ Y! i think it is fair to be said that one should in some way show a differential between a sub/slave and a Dom/Master/Mistress. How this is done is entirely up to Y/you. Capitalisation is a complicated procedure if Y/you want to do it properly. Simple rules will follow, firstly you would have to remember that the following words should be capitalised when referring to a Dom/Master/Mistress: His/Him/Her/Hers/Theirs/Them and so on and so forth but then lowercase in reference to slaves. Remember firstly that grammar was thought up by someone and is in no way more valid then any other form thought up by another. Reasons for third personification are simple it can help someone online to think of themselves differently and detract from themselves being themselves but somebody elses. So instead of me thinking of me as mine but as His i could substitute and state "this slave is just waking up" - however in first person " i am just waking up" - first one refers to me as as a slave clearly and the second one refers to me simply as a person in charge of my own actions. When dealing with other subs/slaves on the internet in my role as an Alpha slave i have always insisted on such online ettiquete as a form of training. Though in person i rarely insist on it. my view being that if they can do it online they are then in a situation to do it offline. However as a slave it is my role to do as i am told. If i am told to do such then i will do so. If it is not insisted then i won't. The ultimate choice of my actions is my Masters, the ultimate choice of your actions is your Owners - lets instead of saying its a) annoying or b) pointless - the following of orders is the important factor in however that manifests itself. the_boi 000-636-428 "where will your service take you today!" Next page