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	TSR : Web boards : O&P : "O&P Manifesto, v2" O&P Manifesto, v2 (2) This post is on the O&P web board. Mon 7 Dec 09, 10:41 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! Today I uploaded a revised (and hopefully final!) version of the O&P Manifesto, taking into account the feedback I've had from the threads I've been starting each week covering the ten keywords in the manifesto. The main change is I've added Service, using the wording from the Service in O&P post, and I've merged the sentences about Structure into the other sections. I've also removed the references to "discipline", as it can be ambiguous (some people think you mean "caning" instead of an enforced structure of behaviour, standards, etc), and made it clear that the O&P concept of houses and households isn't about poly D/s as such. With all the keywords done, I'm now going to post more general D/s and M/s topics on the O&P groups. Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk O&P: Possession. Ownership. Consent. Responsibility. Respect. House. Service. Dignity. Authenticity. Rituals. 8 Dec 09, 12:51 AM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs This one: 7. Service Being served is one of the principal reasons why owners and dominants invest their time in establishing O&P relationships. Service is not limited to domestic work and sexual use, but can also include companionship, acting as a social secretary, managing accounts, improving the house, and learning new skills. Service reinforces the difference in status between servant and master, and provides opportunities to overcome feelings of false entitlement and misplaced pride. And yet good service is also something to take pride in providing, and a submissive who serves well is someone to be proud of. For us, it's almost exclusively sexual use, companionship, social, home decor, new skills. As in, things I never had time or much energy for before I was owned and are of as much benefit to me as to C. They're the sort of things that aren't acknowledged (discussed?) so much and that was a thing that kept me wondering whether our relationship truly fit with the general community. So, this is good. Thank you! Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 9 Dec 09, 5:43 AM marysOwner US(HI), 2 yrs Y! Tanos wrote: I've also removed the references to "discipline", as it can be ambiguous (some people think you mean "caning" instead of an enforced structure of behaviour, standards, etc) While I agree with you 110% on some people's take on what discipline means in these relationships, I still believe discipline should still be mentioned. And not only mentioned but clarified to point at that discipline does not just apply to punishments. Discipline is required in the mindset and behavior of both Owner and property. The Owner must have the discipline to look after the property's needs, and to not abuse or misuse his/her property. While the slave must have the discipline to fulfill their owner's wishes all the while keeping a smile on his/her face. Both need to have the discipline to set rules and safewords and follow them. And they both need to have the discipline to maintain their interests in their relationships. Discipline is not so much an activity that leaves marks, as much as it is a state of mind. Ordinary life does not interest me. I seek only the high moments. I am in accord with the surrealists, searching for the marvelous. ~ Anais Nin