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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Just read "Exit to Eden"" Just read "Exit to Eden" (4) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Mon 14 Sep 09, 1:51 AM 139-715-032 US(MA), 6 yrs My roommate picked up a copy of "Exit to Eden" from Salvation Army, and I remembered liking the movie, so I figured I'd read it even though Raven said it was stupid. (It is about a ritsy BDSM island resort, with hordes of hot naked slaves --consensual slaves-- serving guests every whim.) Well, it is pretty stupid. I only managed to get halfway through it before giving up. While the movie had a cute plot about undercover cops and smugglers (and Rosie O'Donnell in leather -- yum!) the book just seems to yammer on and on about the main characters finding true love, and finding their true selves, and casting aside these limiting roles of mistress and slave, realizing nothing matters except the deep passionate love they feel for each other, and how they are willing to completely abandon that M/s life in order to be together, despite having met only a week ago, and despite the fact that they could just as easily be together while living on the BDSM fantasy resort. Blegh. Whenever I read this type of book, I imagine myself in the role of the of submissive character, but Elliot is too damn obnoxious. You'd think if there were this network of prestigious trainers and heavily screened auctions with only the finest "slaves", they'd maybe be able to find people who are actually submissive. And the mistress isn't very dominant either. So Raven was right. The book is stupid. But you know, it got me thinking -- I am so happy to not be in a role-based D/s relationship. My master and I deeply and passionately love each other. I love that I've surrendered my will to him entirely, and there is no "role" either of us has to maintain. I'm just me, and he's him, and he just happens to be in charge of everything. -- Joshua Raven's Boy, Joshua, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Raven Kaldera. You may contact Joshua directly with any questions or comments at josh@cauldronfarm.com, or contact Raven at cauldronfarm@hotmail.com. 14 Sep 09, 3:14 AM slave_of_The_Tesh US(FL), 2 yrs 139-715-032 wrote: I love that I've surrendered my will to him entirely, and there is no "role" either of us has to maintain. I'm just me, and he's him, and he just happens to be in charge of everything. That's sweet, and something to which every slave should aspire. I'm still not quite there yet. Admittedly, Master makes that difficult, being a switch who tends to have those days where He won't or just can't take over. By the way, thanks for the book warning. His Beloved Owned and loved by The_Tesh This post has probably been edited for spelling/grammar because I'm weird like that. 14 Sep 09, 10:05 AM Malkinius US(IL), 5 yrs Greetings Joshua.... It is funny you should post this now. I just finished the book tonight. I did read all the way through it and looked at the IMDB info on the movie and no, the book is nothing like what the movie seems to be. Although, I know see what all the jokes about someone watching it twice and thinking they now understand BDSM. I will eventually find and watch the movie. It does look pretty funny from the trailer. If you did not get through the parts in New Orleans and Dallas, you did not get to the core of the book. No, it is not a BDSM book. It is an erotic romance. It is very very much a romance with a BDSM theme to it and Elliot is more of a switch, as Lisa is or can be, than a true sub or slave. He is at the club because he wants to go to the extreme and test himself there more than he has a vocation as a sub or slave. The parts about how wonderful it would all be if everyone could sublimate their innate aggression or submission with BDSM play was....interesting...to say the least. This is one of those glad I got around to reading it books. It is not an into to being a slave or a sub or a dominant book in the slightest. It is a two people fall instantly madly in love with each other book. Also the economics of the club don't make a lot of sense to me. <frowns> If you can, go back and finish it. You are a masochist after all. <grins evilly> Be well.... Malkinius 14 Sep 09, 6:55 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! This is what I put on my books page when I read it last year: "I've never read it before, having being completely put off Anne Rice by her "Claiming of Sleeping Beauty" in 1997. Initially, I felt a bit cheated when I realised Laura Antoniou's "Marketplace" series wasn't a brilliant invention but merely an elaboration of Rice's scenario. However, the truly awful ending of "Exit to Eden", from a D/s point of view, perhaps explains why Antoniou felt justified in copying but then correcting someone else's idea to such an extent." So yes Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk 14 Sep 09, 11:13 PM 139-715-032 US(MA), 6 yrs Malkinius wrote: If you did not get through the parts in New Orleans and Dallas, you did not get to the core of the book. No, it is not a BDSM book. It is an erotic romance. I got through most of New Orleans and then I gave up. I really dislike books or movies about abandoning everything you worked so hard for because of some hot guy you met a few days ago who you just *know* is your One True Love. I'm all about keeping your commitments. Blowing off all of your responsibilities and abandoning people who have come to depend on you so you can have a hot romance is juvenile and self-absorbed. Glorifying that kind of behavior is ridiculous. (But Anne Rice seems to specialize in self-absorbed characters who refuse to address the broader consequences of their actions. Whatever.) Malkinius wrote: It is very very much a romance with a BDSM theme to it and Elliot is more of a switch, as Lisa is or can be, than a true sub or slave. He is at the club because he wants to go to the extreme and test himself there more than he has a vocation as a sub or slave. Which any halfway decent trainer would have been able to spot, and disqualified him for. Stupid. Malkinius wrote: The parts about how wonderful it would all be if everyone could sublimate their innate aggression or submission with BDSM play was....interesting...to say the least. That was an interesting bit. I also liked the idea that a club for masochists is always going to be a shady underground affair, so you market it so that the guests are all assumed to be in the dominant role and if they happen to like to get tied up and whipped they can do that in their private rooms. I thought that was awfully clever. -- Joshua Raven's Boy, Joshua, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Raven Kaldera. You may contact Joshua directly with any questions or comments at josh@cauldronfarm.com, or contact Raven at cauldronfarm@hotmail.com.