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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Training detail???" Training detail??? (9) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Sat 29 Aug 09, 4:04 AM crystalredroze US(OH), 4 yrs Y! i found this and while reading it well...i know what my opinion of it is, i guess i'm wondering what others think. http://www.bornslaves.com/training.html 29 Aug 09, 12:37 PM Malkinius US(IL), 5 yrs Greetings jjsslave.... There are a number of good ideas on that web site. It is primarily one person's site about how they do things and how they think consensual slavery should be done. The more you know about the training of slaves the more you can get from it. Unless you want to be trained by that trainer...and are a male sub/slave, the exact details do not matter. It is the concepts which have value. Personally, I think there are better places to learn about enslavement, being enslaved and/or training a slave. The companion IE site to this place is one of the best ones. http://rlslavery.com is another. Just remember that each place gives the concepts the site's creator found useful for them. Those things may or may not be useful for others. I have my own ideas and methods which do not exactly match those of any other person. They work for me and some of them work for others as well. I know...this doesn't answer your question the way I think you want it answered, but it works for me. <grins> Be well.... Malkinius 29 Aug 09, 9:09 PM crystalredroze US(OH), 4 yrs Y! While ity does give some good advice in ways i guess i was looking more at the ideas of having a "back up place to live" and such. i guess i went thru a friend telling me i needed that and really thought she was way off. if you intend to fully give yourself in any kind of relationship,, having a back up plan just gives you an easy out if you get tired of it or whatever. idk, just my point of view. 29 Aug 09, 10:52 PM Malkinius US(IL), 5 yrs Greetings jjsslave.... jjsslave wrote: While ity does give some good advice in ways i guess i was looking more at the ideas of having a "back up place to live" and such. i guess i went thru a friend telling me i needed that and really thought she was way off. if you intend to fully give yourself in any kind of relationship,, having a back up plan just gives you an easy out if you get tired of it or whatever. idk, just my point of view. There is a difference between living with someone as a slave and training with someone as a slave. Think of training as more like going away to camp or school. If you are staying a long time, then it is like going to college and living on campus. If it is only for a few days or weeks, then it is like going to camp. Your home may still be elsewhere and you don't give up (in most cases) having a permanent address/home when you go to school and certainly not when you go to camp. It really comes down to what you are doing. If you are submitting yourself to someone with no definite end, then yes, giving up all you were and had before is what should be done. It is not really that you need a back up place to live when going to your new owner but that you need a back up place to go or at least contact if things don't work out. That doesn't mean you have to or will use them. Many owners will require it but probably not most. You are right that the feeling of not having a safety net is something that some want to feel. You are now theirs and what happens to and with you is up to them. That is where true submission and surrender starts. Be well.... Malkinius 30 Aug 09, 9:54 PM pinklucy UK, 3 yrs I haven't looked at the link so am just addressing the concepts here. One of the first things my Mistress did when our D/s relationship became more serious was instruct me to find a mentor. One of the main purposes of this was that I would always have somewhere to go should things turn out badly between the two of us. I certainly didn't take it as an indication that she expected things to turn out badly - more that she wants to show she is prepared to care for me under every possible scenario - even one where for whatever reason she had ceased to do it in the hear and now. I found it a moving and heartfelt gesture that she wanted to do her best to ensure I would be safe no matter what may happen between us. I see just as much validity for these kinds of back up under an ownership situation, the difference being that once owned the slave would lose the rights to choose when this support could be accessed. However, i would imagine that a caring Dominant would feel better knowing there was a safe place to send a slave if the scenario were to arise where they felt they no longer wanted to keep the slave. 1 Sep 09, 4:29 AM JSubathrt US(CA), 3 yrs Y! I wanted to reply to this the day you wrote it, then it got too late, I was sent to the shower and then to bed and here it is several days later. The biggest thing I got out of that article is that I really had to know who I was and what I was made out of before I could become Dave's property. In our relationship it would have been too easy to loose the person he met, contracted with and then later married to get lost in the relationship. He didn't want a puppet that he designed. He wanted the strong independent woman I am who was then willing and able to submit to his wants and needs. For me, being a slave and Dave's property comes from a position of strength not of weakness. I need to be as strong as I can be so I can be the best for him. Goodness I hope that makes sense! Judy 5 Sep 09, 2:07 AM Ev_Jinna US(IL), 2 yrs Huh - that was interesting. Sounds like the author wants to retain an awful lot of power. That isn't what slavery means to me. 5 Sep 09, 10:46 AM Malkinius US(IL), 5 yrs Greetings.... 512-058-022 wrote: Huh - that was interesting. Sounds like the author wants to retain an awful lot of power. That isn't what slavery means to me. If you are talking about the author of the web site, then yes, they are a slave training and owning house. They will always want all the power. That is the way slavery works. The owner has the power and authority and the slave obeys. Everything else is details about how they do it. If you think otherwise, you really need to rethink what you think slavery is because you are not understanding the difference between a sub and a slave. Be well.... Malkinius 7 Sep 09, 7:10 AM masterfiremaam US(WV), 5 yrs SlaveMaster is a friend of mine...as well as a teacher. I have seen the results of his training and Ms relationships and they're beautiful. Master Fire **The power of who we are can be intoxicating.** **The power of who we could be is humbling.** **Yet, we are assured we are exactly as we should be.** 13 Sep 09, 11:55 PM 650-736-585 GR, 2 yrs Greetings, Personally, I found it very interesting. It presents a quite different, and respected by me, point of view on slavery. I guess what the guy tries to say, is that for him, slavery is accepting your natural inclination to submission, but doing it in full realization of who you are and what the consequences are. Not because someone stronger than you got the opportunity to enslave you. I guess it's something like Ancient Greece. There were slave who were captured by force, AND, slave who willingly put themselves under slavery for some time, so that they could live in Greece. This fellah says he believes the 2nd case. That slavery is a mature sedition, taking after serious thinking and realizing the true impact on your personal life. I may not agree with all, but it sure was an interesting text to read. Thanks for sharing it with us. • I humbly ask for your tolerance and forgiveness to my ignorance.