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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Service=Love" Service=Love (6) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Wed 15 Jul 09, 11:55 PM Masterslittlewhore US, 2 yrs I have learned that service to my Master is not true service if it is done for love. True service and true slavery is loving my Master through my service, not expecting anything back. 16 Jul 09, 6:43 AM masterfiremaam US(WV), 5 yrs What you have been told is often of little important if what you FEEL is contradictory. Discuss it with your Master and your heart. Master Fire **The power of who we are can be intoxicating.** **The power of who we could be is humbling.** **Yet, we are assured we are exactly as we should be.** 19 Jul 09, 3:13 AM 957-909-675 US(PA), 3 yrs Masterslittlewhore wrote: Service=Love I have learned that service to my Master is not true service if it is done for love. True service and true slavery is loving my Master through my service, not expecting anything back. firstly, i just want to say that i completely feel that everyone, based on experience is entitled to their own feelings. im not sure i agree with that, because love is a very broad topic. to love S/someone doesn't always mean that you would expect something back. i love my Master with all my heart and my service to Him is unquestioning. at the same time, i feel without a certain level of love no service is in its deepest and truest form. that is just my opinion ~*~ Master Xamps lil squirrel ~*~ 'What are you?' I inquired. 'A slave girl,' she said. 'What is your duty?' I asked. 'Absolute obedience,' she cried out." Hunters of Gor, page 258 22 Jul 09, 8:42 AM Skruddgemire US(MD), 3 yrs Masterslittlewhore wrote: Service=Love I have learned that service to my Master is not true service if it is done for love. True service and true slavery is loving my Master through my service, not expecting anything back. I am not sure if I agree with that statement. I know of many essays out there written by submissives and slaves that would refute that. That the submissive/slave does what they do out of love for the Master/Dominant. I fail to see how the two are necessarily mutually exclusive. "true" slavery would mean that you are imprisoned against your will. You willingly entered into this relationship with your Master and I fail to see why you would have done so if there was no love there to begin with. 22 Jul 09, 11:32 PM ravenkaldera US(MA), 6 yrs Joshua and I often discuss in our workshops how there are three forms of service: transactional, devotional, and positional. **Transactional: I serve you in this way because I get X in return. Includes people who get paid for it, and the sub who'll get your drink now because they know they're getting hot sex later. Good for: Keeps sub remembering their own needs. Drawbacks: Hard to sustain over the long haul unless someone is getting a paycheck. Best as main form in a short-term scene. **Devotional: I serve you because I love you, and I think you're so great. Good for: Love can pull a sub through a lot of difficult service. And it feels good. Drawbacks: Love can also desert you, if only temporarily - "today I don't feel loving, I feel like busting your chops!" and without another form in there as well the sub can't perform on non-loving days. **Positional: I serve you because it's what I do, it's my job, it's part of my identity. I am a service-oriented person, period. Good for: Better than the other two at pulling one through bad days. Good for self-esteem in the face of lousy dominance - one can resort to the "job well done" at least. Good for getting through lack of appreciation. Drawbacks: Often taken advantage of by the unscrupulous who just want to use someone. Also, for some positional subs, dominants can be interchangeable rather than special. The service matters, not who it's being done for. -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 8 Aug 09, 7:17 PM Strong_One ZA, 2 yrs Masterslittlewhore wrote: Service=Love I have learned that service to my Master is not true service if it is done for love. True service and true slavery is loving my Master through my service, not expecting anything back. As it Say's at the bottom of my page, I am held in angel wings of love..without some form of love how can there be respect, trust, caring..how can you want to serve someone you do not care for? for me I can't I adore my Master and therefore will do anything for him he asks of me..I do not expect anything back but because I am loved I get so much more than he knows, which makes this so worth it..hugs I am Michael's proud slave..enfolded in angel wings of love and protection..xx 6 Sep 09, 4:35 AM MasterChris 3 yrs you should have this discussion with your Master as he has the final say so. carefully introduce the thoughts of those from here as 'advice'. service, is the tasks laid out that you will do with the goal to please your Master. if you do His bidding because you want to... then it's no doubt Love. if you do it from a sense of obligation to His authority you know you committed to... probably love for Him as well... but if you do it out of fear... ...that then is something different.