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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Mental Health" 1 2 Mental Health (19) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Thu 9 Jul 09, 2:28 PM Paper_of_the_Pen CA, 3 yrs I'm having problems with M/s lately... When we first started, I was the one pushing our relationship into the M/s dynamic, but I don't feel up to it anymore. I have depression, and take prescribed drugs accordingly...but I always feel so lethargic and sad. As though I'm void and forfeit. I think that if I keep going I may lose myself...if such a thing is actually possible. I wasn't sure where to post this, but it seems to be based on theory of mental health issues and M/s, so I figured here would be as good as anywhere. Thank you, for any advice in advance. 9 Jul 09, 6:01 PM slave_of_The_Tesh US(FL), 2 yrs Omocha wrote: I have depression, and take prescribed drugs accordingly...but I always feel so lethargic and sad. As though I'm void and forfeit. Discuss this with your doctor. You may need to adjust or change your medications. I think that if I keep going I may lose myself...if such a thing is actually possible. It is very possible. Again, discuss your concerns with your doctor. Also, bring them up to your master. You may need to scale it back some until you overcome the depression. Owned by The_Tesh This post has probably been edited for spelling/grammar because I'm weird like that. 10 Jul 09, 2:12 AM ravenkaldera US(MA), 6 yrs There are some articles on M/s and depression on the Broken Toys site that might be useful to your master. Here: http://paganbdsm.org/brokentoys/index.html -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 10 Dec 09, 7:05 PM TunaBug US(CA), 2 yrs As things should turn out, this neko has bipolar disorder. Though Owner is going to take neko to see how bad it is and if neko can live without taking prescription drugs. Bleh. But the main thing is to get help and talk to a doctor. I wait day by day for my Death and when He arrives I will welcome Him with open arms. [IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRE SATANAS EXCELSI!] 10 Dec 09, 10:13 PM windcallersspirit US(KY), 2 yrs Hello, and i am sorry that you are feeling so bad, i was going thru a state of depression myself, and i also was told i was bi-polar. They stuck my on all kinds of meds and they only made me feel worse... worse about my life and made my depression worse. One day i woke up and just trashed them all, i went to see a therapist and he put me on all natural erbs and vitamins. i also found out that my potasiume was very low at that time, which can cause all kinds of problems both mental and physical. I was also told that my brain wasnt producing enough of the chemical that tells your brain and body when it is time to shut down and rest ( the name escapes me at this moment) but you can buy it at any drug store or vitamin store. Lose of sleep was my biggest problem, even now i am lucky to sleep more than 3 to 4 hrs at a time. I wish you well, and will say a prayer for you that you find peace and what is going on, and that you can fix it without all the bs drugs the doctors love to push on people so much. I know i did..!! My heart and soul are like the universe, vast and unexplored..... 3 Jan 10, 3:45 AM 688-681-918 US(OR), 2 yrs Truehope is a Canadian company that is using micronutrients to treat a variety of illnesses such as bipolar affective disorder, depression, schizophrenia, attention deficit disorder among others without drug side effects. http://www.truehope.com/default.aspx There is information on the website about current research. For anything worth having, one must pay the price; and the price is always work, patience, love, self-sacrifice ~no paper currency, no promises to pay, but the gold of real service. ~John Burroughs 7 Mar 10, 9:57 PM onyxfairy UK, 2 yrs ravenkaldera wrote: There are some articles on M/s and depression on the Broken Toys site that might be useful to your master. Here: http://paganbdsm.org/brokentoys/index.html -Raven Kaldera Thankyou for putting that link up. i have BPD and found that site really useful for recognising triggers and dealing with them. 8 Mar 10, 12:41 PM Sir_Aldric 5 yrs Omocha wrote: Mental Health I'm having problems with M/s lately... Well, first question: did M/s cause the depression or did the depression cause problem within M/s? Do you have any idea what caused the depression anyway; depressions never come alone, sometimes there is a cause above the surface sometimes underneath. Knowing the cause is always a must, else you are just messing around. You have relational problems besides M/s? Monsters from the past? Omocha wrote: I have depression, and take prescribed drugs accordingly...but I always feel so lethargic and sad. As though I'm void and forfeit. Hmm.. I'm not that excited about depression drugs, since they are known to have many side-effects (like feeling lethargic, sad and void..). I hope it was not your GP who prescribed them but someone specialized in those type of drugs. Take care, SA Relax, life is too short to get upset. 8 Mar 10, 6:15 PM 834-243-250 2 yrs windcallersspirit wrote: I was also told that my brain wasnt producing enough of the chemical that tells your brain and body when it is time to shut down and rest ( the name escapes me at this moment) but you can buy it at any drug store or vitamin store. Lose of sleep was my biggest problem, even now i am lucky to sleep more than 3 to 4 hrs at a time. You are thinking of Melatonin. Depression is a hard thing that I think a number of people can relate to and have struggled with in some way or another at some point in their lives. I find having a strong and caring person to literally "pull" you out of your own head sometimes can be the best medicine... the "I wont give up on you, and I wont let you give up on yourself, because then you are giving up on me and us" can be a surprising motivator. It is easy wehn depressed to think only of your self and how bad you feel... I know I have done it. If you have someone to (sometimes even forcibly) full you out of the house, take you to go get an ice cream or sit on the beach, see a movie, or send you flowers, it can be enough of a trigger to pull yourself out even a little bit and try to care again. Doctors and meds can be helpful but not for everyone. I have been on and off different medications over the past 8 years. Therapy can help, but ultimately, it's something you learn to deal with, and those who care about you help you get through when the skies look bleak and you feel like the sun will never shine again. Good luck! You will be in my thoughts! - Slave In Training 8 Mar 10, 10:02 PM mutable 2 yrs 834-243-250 wrote: Depression is a hard thing that I think a number of people can relate to and have struggled with in some way or another at some point in their lives. I find having a strong and caring person to literally "pull" you out of your own head sometimes can be the best medicine (snipped) To some extent I agree with you 834-243-250. I certainly have benefited from such actions from people who 'crossed by depressive line' and would not take no for an answer. However, sometimes, I could not be roused. I call my depression 'the black'. When it takes hold fully there is nothing I can do (literally) except ride it out. I am fully aware of it now, though I do not know all the triggers. However, no matter how futile life appears at the time, I know that, somehow, things will improve eventually. I do take medication. Since this, 'the black' very rarely appears, though I occasionaly slip into a depressive state for short periods of time now and again, but am better able to deal with it. This is when that fearless individual who insists on crossing *my line* has the most impact. Many people will disparage medication, and I understand their reasons. However, for me, medication has provided the equalibrium required to begin to understand 'the black', and to try and deal with it accordingly. Caveat : Non offensive and always learning. 'We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are' Anais Nin 9 Mar 10, 1:40 AM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs Clinical depression has biophysical components the same as any other disease and I disagree very strongly with any advice that suggests a person who suffers from it doesn't need or shouldn't seek medical care - in fact, I think it's fairly irresponsible. While there are those whose depression is chronic and severe enough to require it, for the majority of patients, therapy (drug, talk or other) isn't needed or expected to be a permanent situation. For example, in cases where onset is due to a single traumatic or purely biological event drug therapy is useful in relieving the symptoms of depression until the depression goes away. In cases where its onset is the result of a general lack of coping skills or too many personal misconceptions, stabilizing mood or perception via drug therapy allows the individual to better participate in talk therapy where they can learn better ways of coping and/or resolve or re-evaluate feelings of guilt, sadness, etc. This lessens the likelihood that the depression will recur. Sir_Aldric wrote: Hmm.. I'm not that excited about depression drugs, since they are known to have many side-effects (like feeling lethargic, sad and void..). I hope it was not your GP who prescribed them but someone specialized in those type of drugs. I have a more positive perception of antidepressants than you do, Sir Aldric, but I do agree that many cases of depression require the specialized knowledge and treatment of a psychiatric professional. In fact, I think it's likely that the negative image held by many is due to the too-frequent cases of unsuccessful therapy with a GP. Whether it's due to side effects or just that the medication isn't effective, rather than consulting a specialist the patient stops seeking therapy altogether, considering the drugs themselves to be at fault rather than their approach to treatment. mutable wrote: I certainly have benefited from such actions from people who 'crossed by depressive line' and would not take no for an answer. However, sometimes, I could not be roused. This makes sense to me. Depression reduces both logic and objectivity, and depending on its severity even the most dedicated and conscientious support/encouragement may not be effective. In a manner of speaking, the sufferer simply cannot hear it. Antidepressants serve to bridge that gap. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) Next page